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Kerim Mamedov
Location: Poland Joined: 21 Mar 2007
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 Posted: Fri 06 Apr, 2007 6:55 pm Post subject: Signature question to Manouchehr |
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Hello.
It's specific question, if any one can answer, it's probably only You 
Any idea about this signature?
My knowledge of arab alphabet is less than a basic, and that one didn't look like calligraphic suls sign
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Manouchehr M.
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| Posted: Sat 07 Apr, 2007 1:15 am Post subject: Re: Signature question to Manouchehr |
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| Kerim Mamedov wrote: | Hello.
It's specific question, if any one can answer, it's probably only You
Any idea about this signature?
My knowledge of arab alphabet is less than a basic, and that one didn't look like calligraphic suls sign |
Hi Kerim
This signature is in Persian and was used during the Safavid period first. Yours read:
Bande-ye Shah Velayat . . . .
I cannot read the last word so I need better pictures from different angles to be able to read the last word. Could you also provide a picture of the whole sword?
The original Persian handwriting is very nice and the gold-inlaying well-executaed. You should note that this formula was later also copied but you can tell by the way of calligraphy if they are of later date.
Shah Velayat (The king of the country) is a title of the first Imam of the Shiites Ali. Note that Ali is the fourth Caliph for the Sunnites. As Safavids were Shiites their Kings considered themselves as the representatives of Ali in this world. Note that the word Bande here does NOT mean slave. Literally it is translated as slave but even during Sassanian period the subordinate kings considered themselves as Bande of the kings, meaning that they serve him and represent him.
So the formula says The representative/slave! of the King of the country [Ali] . . . .
Now at the end the name of the king appears:
Such as
Bandeye Shah Velayat Abbas: it means
Abbas is the representative of Ali who is the true king of the country
THis shows the true devotion and respect the Safavid kings had for Ali the first Imam of the Shiites.
I canot read the name of the king on your piece. Could you provide better pics. Is it an Indian piece you have?
Kind regards
Manocuhehr
http://www.mmkhorasani.com
http://www.arms-and-armor-from-iran.de
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Kerim Mamedov
Location: Poland Joined: 21 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed 11 Apr, 2007 5:59 am Post subject: Re: Signature question to Manouchehr |
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Thank You weary much!
A'm afraid, next pix are not beter that first one 
But here they are.
BTW, A'm Azeri, so I have some idea what Shia is about 
That one is not my, but may be...
It's on auction, and I'm in contact with seller, Nice guy, collecting orient arms, especialy bande to persian and turkish weapons.
Once again - thanks, And if you'll need help from someone with drawing skill - just make me know
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Manouchehr M.
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| Posted: Wed 11 Apr, 2007 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: Signature question to Manouchehr |
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| Kerim Mamedov wrote: | Thank You weary much!
A'm afraid, next pix are not beter that first one
But here they are.
BTW, A'm Azeri, so I have some idea what Shia is about
That one is not my, but may be...
It's on auction, and I'm in contact with seller, Nice guy, collecting orient arms, especialy bande to persian and turkish weapons.
Once again - thanks, And if you'll need help from someone with drawing skill - just make me know |
Hi Kerim,
I cannot read the name. I am afraid we cannot talk pieces that are on auction yet, Let us wait until the running auction is over.
Thank you very much for your offer for help. What kind of drawing could you do? I would defnitely get back to you. Thanks.
Kind regards
Manouchehr
http://www.mmkhorasani.com
http://www.arms-and-armor-from-iran.de
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Kerim Mamedov
Location: Poland Joined: 21 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu 12 Apr, 2007 12:20 am Post subject: Re: Signature question to Manouchehr |
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Well, auction is ower today at 17:00 or sort of.
May be we can talk about it later
About drawing - I work as freelance ilustrator , so, I draw nearly ewery thing
Once (years ago) I get "distinction" from Iran Ambacy in Azerbaidzan for my work placed on caligrafic exebition
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Kerim Mamedov
Location: Poland Joined: 21 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat 14 Apr, 2007 2:46 am Post subject: Re: Signature question to Manouchehr |
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Well, now it's mine
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