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PostPosted: Mon 29 Jan, 2007 12:23 pm    Post subject: Katzbalger help         Reply with quote

I'm trying to find images of katzbalgers with a certain type of pommel construction. Although most katzbalgers have a large, distinctive pommel of flattened mushroom shape, I'm under the impression that some katzbalger pommels are simply flat plates of iron (figure-8 shaped?). I've seen daggers and some swords with this sort of construction, but not any of the katzbalgers. Can any of you post or direct me to examples on katzbalgers?

Also, if any of you can shed light on what this pommel type might indicate about the origin or age of the weapon, I welcome that information as well.

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PostPosted: Wed 31 Jan, 2007 10:05 am    Post subject: Not terribly sure if this helps,         Reply with quote

but here are some I found with 'thinner' pommels:





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PostPosted: Wed 31 Jan, 2007 10:11 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That second example is exactly what I'm looking for. Unfortunately, I suspect that this is restored hilt, with a new pommel and grip. Not sure about the pommel. In any case, this is what I'm looking for, folks!

Thanks, M.D.!

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PostPosted: Thu 01 Feb, 2007 2:33 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

What was the average length of a katzbalger blade?
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PostPosted: Thu 01 Feb, 2007 3:14 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Not exactly what you're seeking, but it's a nice piece and a good example of a relatively flattened cap on the pommel side of the hilt.


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PostPosted: Fri 02 Feb, 2007 6:23 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Nicholas Zeman wrote:
What was the average length of a katzbalger blade?


An average of all blades with the distinctive figure-eight hilt would be misleading because the range would be so great. There seems to much variation even among those I'd call "short".

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PostPosted: Fri 02 Feb, 2007 6:27 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The flattened/truncated mushroom pommel like the one you show here, Nathan, might be within my skill range and that's ultimately what I'm driving for. I have some thick, broad iron bars and I could, theoretically, cut a pommel blank from one of those and bevel the edges with a grinder. Hmmmm....
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PostPosted: Sat 24 Mar, 2007 11:32 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Cornelius Engelhardt recently posted a link to some photos he had taken. In those photos is this katzbalger:


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PostPosted: Wed 04 Apr, 2007 7:21 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Nathan Robinson wrote:
Cornelius Engelhardt recently posted a link to some



Ahhhhhh....Well, that's the first one like this I've seen. Very interesting indeed. Thanks for the tip!

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