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Jonathan Hopkins




PostPosted: Mon 16 Oct, 2006 6:24 pm    Post subject: 1783 print depicting ancient weapons of England         Reply with quote

I have had a plate from Barnard's New Complete & Authentic HISTORY of ENGLAND in my collection for around 10 years. It was published in 1783. It is an interesting interpretation--an 18th century interpretation-- of weapons and "implements" of early Britain. I thought you all might enjoy this fanciful print! Please comment!


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A close up shot of the chariot and a few surrounding weapons
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Steve Maly




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PostPosted: Mon 16 Oct, 2006 6:30 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Now, if they had a Lance with a Star AND a bell, they'd be onto something.... Eek!
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Jonathan Hopkins




PostPosted: Mon 16 Oct, 2006 6:33 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Right! A spear on its own is not so scary, but add a bell and whoa! Get me outta there!
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PostPosted: Mon 16 Oct, 2006 6:36 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Wow. That's an absolutely excellent plate. I love historical artwork, especially diagrams, woodcuts, and illustrations. Thank you for sharing this.
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PostPosted: Mon 16 Oct, 2006 6:44 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I like that furry shield... Happy

It the shield based on any actual finds (since its writen "an exact representation of a curious collection...") or was the artist just being... artistic ?


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Jonathan Hopkins




PostPosted: Mon 16 Oct, 2006 6:45 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks, Nathan. It is a really neat plate that I really enjoy. It is fanciful and silly, but it really demonstartes how people impose the aesthetics and ideals from their time onto other time periods. Although it is not perfectly accurate, I have seen a similar illustration in an Osprey title. I think it might be Arthur and the Anglo-Saxon Wars in one of the Angus McBride plates--there is a charioteer and warrior with a shield and spear held in a similar manner. To be fair, Angus McBride's plate is probably more representative of what the warriors actually looked like!

Edit: Or maybe it was in Tim Newark's Celtic Warriors--I can't remember.


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PostPosted: Mon 16 Oct, 2006 6:47 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hello all!

Great artwork! Lovely, but weird! Happy

Is that shield furry? I've heard of hide-covered shields, but that's too much! Big Grin

And what's with the bear skin loin cloth? I though we all knew the ancient Britons went to war naked! Laughing Out Loud

Seriously, though, the detail on the artwork is wonderful, even if it is fanciful!

Stay safe!

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Jonathan Hopkins




PostPosted: Mon 16 Oct, 2006 6:53 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hugo Voisine wrote:
I like that furry shield... Happy

It the shield based on any actual finds (since its writen "an exact representation of a curious collection...") or was the artist just being... artistic ?


Probably the latter!
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PostPosted: Tue 17 Oct, 2006 7:15 pm    Post subject: Print         Reply with quote

Yes, Thanks J.G. ....a most cool print.........I too have a thing for old prints. I see that by this stage the horses actually look more like "real" horses.......... I get a lot of laughs out of some Medieval Art ... cause have you ever noticed that in most of the illustrations all the horses look happy......in fact they always seem to be looking at the camera...er, I mean Ärtist and always have this big grin on their faces....even when they have half a dozen arrows sticking out of their rumps !
Ahhhh, they just dont seem make horses like that these days !!

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Oct, 2006 3:39 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

This is great! One nuance I particularly enjoy is the signficant difference in the charioteer's clothing from the briton riding it.

Obviously, despite being well versed in the use of bells, stars, and unnecessary chains, the ancient Briton was unable to attach whistles to his spear and frighten the enemy further. Laughing Out Loud
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