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Elling Polden




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PostPosted: Mon 26 Dec, 2005 12:05 pm    Post subject: Chistmas, old school (Drunk and disorderly, pt1)         Reply with quote

In these days, we are compelled to tell the tale of Christmas Past, more specifically the year 1181, in Norway
The saga of King Sigurd says:

"King Magnus [Sverre's rival] prepared to celebrate Christmas in Bergen. He let the large hall be prepared for the Hirdmen [bodyguard], and the Guests [enforcers] in the "Sunnivastova" hall.
The guests did not like that the Hirdmen drank mead, while they only got simple beer. On the fifth day of Christmas, when the Guests where drunken, they ran for their weapons, and went to the king's hall, where they wanted to chop down the door.
When the king became aware of this, he immediately ran to the door, and wanted to stop them. But his Thrall, Bård Skjold, ran out into the front room before him. He was immediately killed.
After that the king went back inside. The Hirdmen closed the door, but the guest broke it down again.
Then those that had been on guard that day ran to the door, because they where the only ones in the hall that had weapons. Some took down stones from the fireplace and threw them into the front room.
When the city folk and the kings huskars, and the huskars of the Lendmen [estate holders], they armed themselves and went to the kings hall. Then the Guests pulled away. Many men where wounded there.
The next morning King Magnus ordered those Guests who had been in the lead seized. He had hands or feet chopped of some, and some hanged"

Oh, that ol' time holiday cheer...

"this [fight] looks curious, almost like a game. See, they are looking around them before they fall, to find a dry spot to fall on, or they are falling on their shields. Can you see blood on their cloths and weapons? No. This must be trickery."
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PostPosted: Mon 26 Dec, 2005 1:56 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I guess the entire 'peace and goodwill for all' part was introduced after all this. Big Grin

Kidding aside, it is rather interesting to read about Christmas 'back in the day'. I for one never knew that back then they had (atleast) 5 days of Christmas.
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PostPosted: Mon 26 Dec, 2005 2:41 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

When you travel for a week to go to a party, you expect it to last a while...

The king would presumably stay in Bergen all winter, and there is no reason to stop feasting until you are, well, out of stuff to drink.

A propper weding feast would last for three days.

"this [fight] looks curious, almost like a game. See, they are looking around them before they fall, to find a dry spot to fall on, or they are falling on their shields. Can you see blood on their cloths and weapons? No. This must be trickery."
-Reidar Sendeman, from King Sverre's Saga, 1201
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PostPosted: Mon 26 Dec, 2005 7:35 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

HMMMMMMM : Raise your arm against the King and have it cut off. Eek! Sort of puts a grim spin to the right to bear arms or even have " arms " to bear the arms. Razz Eek!

Elling: So did they have mead for everyone the next year ? Or did the one's only getting beer the next year " behave " !

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PostPosted: Wed 28 Dec, 2005 2:49 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thomas Hoogendam wrote:
I guess the entire 'peace and goodwill for all' part was introduced after all this. Big Grin

Kidding aside, it is rather interesting to read about Christmas 'back in the day'. I for one never knew that back then they had (atleast) 5 days of Christmas.


As I recall, there were in fact 12 days of Christmas. Hence the song with all of the gifts (partridge in a pear tree, etc.) but also Shakespeare's Twelfth Night play. It ended on January 6, the Three Kings Day.
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PostPosted: Wed 28 Dec, 2005 4:00 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Felix Wang wrote:
...As I recall, there were in fact 12 days of Christmas. Hence the song with all of the gifts (partridge in a pear tree, etc.) but also Shakespeare's Twelfth Night play. It ended on January 6, the Three Kings Day.
Actually, there still are 12 days of Christmas.
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PostPosted: Thu 29 Dec, 2005 2:36 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

On the 12th day of Christmas my true love sent to me...

No i can't remember the rest. Big Grin
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PostPosted: Thu 29 Dec, 2005 2:53 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hehe, the side-effects of alcohol Razz

Why did they complain about having only beer to drink? Was Mead considered to be so much better? Maybe I should try it Big Grin
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PostPosted: Thu 29 Dec, 2005 6:48 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mead was made with honey, and thus a lot more expensive and exclusive.
Beer was, literally, drunk for breakfast, lunch and dinner, and as such quite "everyday".
It was commonly accepted that beer was more healthy than water. At that time, it was quite likely true as well; contaminated water was common.
Everybody brewed their own beer, by the barrel. There were actually fines for the people that didn't brew enough...

"this [fight] looks curious, almost like a game. See, they are looking around them before they fall, to find a dry spot to fall on, or they are falling on their shields. Can you see blood on their cloths and weapons? No. This must be trickery."
-Reidar Sendeman, from King Sverre's Saga, 1201
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PostPosted: Thu 29 Dec, 2005 7:12 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

And mead are always Sold Out to WTF?! every where i go, last time that happened was in Hornbore longhouse,
but i get me one bottle one week later from a museum Big Grin



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PostPosted: Thu 29 Dec, 2005 10:46 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Oh thanks for the explanation Happy
So it was the "you get the Chardonnay and we have to drink this everyday-stuff" thing Wink

However, I think I'd go for the beer (at least nowadays Wink )
Oh, New Year's Eve is close Wink
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PostPosted: Thu 29 Dec, 2005 9:43 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Would be curious to try mead Question Laughing Out Loud

Wonder if I can find some locally Question Anybody can give us a review of mead for purely historical reasons. Razz Laughing Out Loud
as it might affect one's swordsmanship Sad Laughing Out Loud

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PostPosted: Fri 30 Dec, 2005 6:12 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The kingsmirror states that you should take care to drink regularly while training, but take care not to get drunk.
As above mentioned, beer was the number one refreshment of the day.
Of course, the beer drunk for "every day use" would be quite thin and low on alcohol. Strong beer, ale and mead was for festive occasions.
Wine would be used much in the same way in southern europe.

"this [fight] looks curious, almost like a game. See, they are looking around them before they fall, to find a dry spot to fall on, or they are falling on their shields. Can you see blood on their cloths and weapons? No. This must be trickery."
-Reidar Sendeman, from King Sverre's Saga, 1201
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PostPosted: Fri 30 Dec, 2005 6:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jean Thibodeau wrote:
Would be curious to try mead Question Laughing Out Loud

Wonder if I can find some locally Question Anybody can give us a review of mead for purely historical reasons. Razz Laughing Out Loud
as it might affect one's swordsmanship Sad Laughing Out Loud



Had some at the Sterling Ren festival last year( I don't know the brand or if it even was historicaly made with honey)
Tasted alot like champagne to me, but I don't drink alot of that myself.. more ciders and ales. Laughing Out Loud

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PostPosted: Fri 30 Dec, 2005 8:58 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Eric Nower wrote:
Had some at the Sterling Ren festival last year( I don't know the brand or if it even was historicaly made with honey)
Tasted alot like champagne to me, but I don't drink alot of that myself.. more ciders and ales. Laughing Out Loud



Cider now that stuff is dangerous, goes down like fruit juice and before you know it you're GONE. WTF?! It also leaves a nasty hangover, at least thats what they tell me. Laughing Out Loud
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PostPosted: Fri 30 Dec, 2005 9:48 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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Cider now that stuff is dangerous, goes down like fruit juice and before you know it you're GONE. It also leaves a nasty hangover, at least thats what they tell me.


That's exactly why I don't like cocktails, mixdrinks and stuff like that - too much sugar makes you drunk quite fast (and eventually very very sick Razz )

Stay with beer, vine and wodka/whiskey ---> nothing can go wrong Cool
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PostPosted: Fri 30 Dec, 2005 10:17 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Eric Nower wrote:
( I don't know the brand or if it even was historicaly made with honey)

For purely interest's sake:
Mead is fermented honey.
Melomels are meads with fruits.
Ciders are, obviously, fermented apple cider.
Cysers are ciders with honey added before fermentation.

Eric, I'm sure it was actually made with honey, but may well have had other carbs added to the wort to turn into ETOH. Chaucer's is a pretty common brand - tends to be a lot sweet for my taste.
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PostPosted: Fri 30 Dec, 2005 11:00 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Aaron Schnatterly wrote:


Eric, I'm sure it was actually made with honey, but may well have had other carbs added to the wort to turn into ETOH. Chaucer's is a pretty common brand - tends to be a lot sweet for my taste.


Ohh probably...All I know is compared to the cider,it had a dry taste to it. Mom liked it, girlfriend thought it was ok, to dry for me. WTF?!

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PostPosted: Sat 31 Dec, 2005 7:56 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That company Svenskt Mathantverk make's Bud's to,
GästaBudssmjöd Big Grin

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PostPosted: Sat 31 Dec, 2005 10:17 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I have heard that the term "honeymoon" refers partly to the drinking of mead after the wedding though I am not certain as to how the consumption of such may adversely affect performance in said event. Worried Worried Wink
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