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Brian D. A.





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PostPosted: Wed 23 Nov, 2005 6:41 pm    Post subject: Information about the 2104 Short Leaf Sword by Angus Trim         Reply with quote

I am looking for additional information about Angus Trimís 2104 short leaf sword. Iíve searched this website and SFI as well, but could only find a few pictures and very little ďhands onĒ comments. How does this sword handle? Does it have a lot of blade presence? (From what I have read, it appears to have more cutting power than agility. This isnít a bad thing at all; I am looking for a sword, not a dagger.) However, now listed at 2 pounds, this sword weighs as much as many full-length single-hand Angus Trim swords. I donít think the leaf blade shape causes this because the 2103 is still very lightweight for its size (as are all other Angus Trim swords Iíve seen in pictures and compared.)

The blade is similar to a gladius, so I have checked out some of those reviews, but Iím really looking for product specific information. If you own an Angus Trim leaf sword (preferably the 2104, but I wouldnít mind comments and pictures of the others either), modified or in original form, please post some pictures at various angles (not just conventional views), and in different kinds of lighting if possible. I would appreciate it if someone could comment on its handling as opposed to other short swords.

It would be wonderful to add a complete review of this sword to the reviews section.

Thank you,
Brian
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PostPosted: Wed 23 Nov, 2005 7:06 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Brian;

This may not help much if you are already familiar with the Angus Trim site, but just in case here is a link to a Pict of the 2104.
http://www.angustrimdirect.com/models/unamed_20/unamed_20.htm

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Personnally I can't give you more info but I'm sure someone else may be able to give you more information.

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Nov, 2005 7:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Information about the 2104 Short Leaf Sword by Angus Tri         Reply with quote

Brian D. A. wrote:
It would be wonderful to add a complete review of this sword to the reviews section.

If you can get one in our hands, we'll do it. It's been difficult to get review samples from Gus.

In terms of this particular sword, I'm not sure what direction I'd go with a review. It seems this model is a modern-day or contemporary design that nods to a gladius and earlier types for blade shape cues. Other than that, it's kind of its own beast since it's not really replicating anything. I guess the review would have to focus on handling qualities and what the 'net communities like to call "performanc". Other than that, there is really no context in which to place it. It would be hard to compare it or draw conclusions, I'd think.

We'll have a couple other fantasy sword reviews coming out and we faced the same problem: how do we review them? We basically say how it looks, how it's fitted together, how it handles, and what it sort of evokes in terms of inspiration, I guess. It's tough, though.

I would post some photos of some ATrim leafies that I took a long time ago, but they're hardly relevant any more as Gus has changed the designs drastically and really has moved onto other models.

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Brian D. A.





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PostPosted: Wed 23 Nov, 2005 7:31 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I thought there had been some changes. Thanks for confirming this. I was looking for some close-ups and comments from someone who has handled this sword. I have been able to find some information about the other leaf blades, but not as much as I would like. I havenít found hardly anything at all about this one; itís just not as popular I guess.
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PostPosted: Thu 24 Nov, 2005 9:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Information about the 2104 Short Leaf Sword by Angus Tri         Reply with quote

Nathan Robinson wrote:
Brian D. A. wrote:
It would be wonderful to add a complete review of this sword to the reviews section.

It's been difficult to get review samples from Gus.


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Jamie's really good at selling stock.... and no I'm not complaining........

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PostPosted: Thu 24 Nov, 2005 9:06 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Brian can always buy one and review it for us. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu 24 Nov, 2005 9:10 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Brian D. A. wrote:
I thought there had been some changes. Thanks for confirming this. I was looking for some close-ups and comments from someone who has handled this sword. I have been able to find some information about the other leaf blades, but not as much as I would like. I havenít found hardly anything at all about this one; itís just not as popular I guess.


Hi Brian

The 2104 blade is actually the third leaf I designed. The first went to Albion for a gladius. The second was the 2103.

The 2104 is a very quick blade. It distal tapers from the cross, but the taper slows down from the waist to the center of the wide spot, and from there accelerates again to the tip. This leaves quite a bit of mass in that center section, and this little sword is very rigid. Its very quick, a good cutter, and a natural thrusting sword.

My finishes, the finish of the main bevels and edges is quite different from a couple of years ago and more. Getting your hands on an older blade won't do the current stuff justice. The handling might be close, but all current swords have leather over tight, fine cord {handle wrap}. The edges are more refined, the pommel nut recessed further........

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PostPosted: Fri 25 Nov, 2005 5:21 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Patrick Kelly wrote:
Brian can always buy one and review it for us. Wink


I really like this little sword. Since this would be my first real sword, and I have never even handled a real sword before (certainly not a sharp), Iím not sure how good a review I could provideÖ I donít think I would want to actually attempt cutting anything with it for a while. I have not had any sort of training and wouldnít want to risk hurting myselfÖ I could post pictures though. Iím also more of a collector at the moment and would like to keep it in pristine condition if I got one. Thatís not to say I would never want to see what itís capable of thoughÖ Big Grin


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PostPosted: Fri 25 Nov, 2005 5:29 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Brian,

Sometimes a fresh opinion that's uncluttered with experience and bias is quite worthwhile.

Think about it.

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PostPosted: Fri 25 Nov, 2005 6:49 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ken Jay did a brief review a couple of years ago
Ken Jay Reviews MS-2104

I think this was also popular with the Elven hilt upgrade at www.christianfletcher.com

There are some other impressions woven through some old threads but Ken always does nice pictures.

Cheers

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PostPosted: Fri 25 Nov, 2005 10:02 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thank you very much Glen Cleeton. I checked SFI but I missed that thread. Those pictures are certainly better than the introduction pictures; I have found only a few others like them. I would also like to see some more modern photos though.

Thanks,
Brian
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PostPosted: Fri 25 Nov, 2005 10:13 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Patrick Kelly,

I'm considering getting a slightly modified 2104 (i.e. shortened spike guard). I thought the sword would have to be standard issue for a review; if not, and I get the sword, and the review doesn't have to include test cutting, then I would be willing to write a review.

Thank you anyway for offering.

Brian
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PostPosted: Sat 26 Nov, 2005 6:42 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Brian D. A. wrote:
Thank you very much Glen Cleeton. I checked SFI but I missed that thread. Those pictures are certainly better than the introduction pictures; I have found only a few others like them. I would also like to see some more modern photos though.

Thanks,
Brian


Here is a kegger of a thread about a customized 2104.
Customized Leaf Blade

There are different ways to approach searches but here are some more threads with pictures and overall impressions of the sword.
Search Results

A simple 2104 search brought up the review but also many Del Tin threads because of a shared number. Now known as the AT2104, it was once the MS-2104.

Cheers

GC
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PostPosted: Sat 26 Nov, 2005 7:42 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Glen A Cleeton wrote:
...Here is a kegger of a thread about a customized 2104....

Oh, yes. I remember that exquisite work by Mr. Lundemo! What a beautiful piece!

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PostPosted: Sat 26 Nov, 2005 9:22 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I have one. Unfortunately, no camera, so no pictures. I had Gus put a slightly downcurved spike guard on it, which makes the 2104 look even better.

As mentioned, this sword is a Gladius Hispaniensis with a Medieval style hilt. I read a thread recently where it was said that it wasn't that fast, but this was only in comparison with some of the other ATrim short swords. Believe me, it is very fast, very light, and also very sharp.
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