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PostPosted: Mon 26 Sep, 2005 6:42 pm    Post subject: Pics from our recent trip to London         Reply with quote

My wife and I recently took a trip to London. While most of the pics and places visited are entirely OT for this forum, there are a few that could be of interest to folks.

We did all the touristy things, of course, but did get to visit the Wallace Collection, which was a great experience. That I got to visit it with Nathan Robinson (in London on his own trip) was a bonus. Unfortunately, they don't allow pictures to be taken. Neither does Westminster Abbey and several other important places (mostly churches/cathedrals)

The first batch are historical figures in varying degrees of armoured dress: Charlemagne, Richard I, and Oliver Cromwell.



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Statue of Charlemagne outside of Notre Dame in Paris.

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Statue of Richard the Lionheart outside the Houses of Parliament.

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Statue of Oliver Cromwell outside the Houses of Parliament.

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Detail of Cromwell's Mortuary Sword, for Bill G.

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PostPosted: Mon 26 Sep, 2005 6:51 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

A few more pics.

The next one is of the effigy of William Longespée the Younger. William died on crusade and was buried at Mansourah. An effigy, sans tomb of course, was made after his death and placed in Salisbury Cathedral. It's mentioned in Nathan's Type XV spotlight. It's a very early example of a blade with a diamond cross-section, which makes it noteworthy for us today. Having only seen Oakeshott's drawing of the effigy, it was interesting to see it in person.



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Effigy of William Longespée the Younger

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PostPosted: Mon 26 Sep, 2005 8:17 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

You simply must post more photos.

How did you like the exchange rate? One of my project managers just got back from London and spent most of the day complaining about the exchange rate. Although he did mention that he also got to watch a premier league game with some real, live English football hooligans. Apparently that was some kind of fantasy he's had or something.

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PostPosted: Mon 26 Sep, 2005 8:33 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

There are a bunch of pics in my PictureTrail album: http://www.picturetrail.com/carnow6494

While I took over 500 pics on that trip, most would be OT. I could probably get away with pics of Windsor Castle or the Tower of London, though. Happy

Here's a fun one. My wife with Nathan, behind Westminster Abbey:




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A mounted figure from atop the Basilique du Sacré Coeur, Paris

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Romanesque figures from the Arc de Triomphe

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Figures from the entrance to Notre Dame, Paris

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Atop the door to Westminster Abbey

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The Tower of London

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St. George's Chapel, home of the Order of the Garter, Windsor Castle

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PostPosted: Mon 26 Sep, 2005 8:48 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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How did you like the exchange rate? One of my project managers just got back from London and spent most of the day complaining about the exchange rate. Although he did mention that he also got to watch a premier league game with some real, live English football hooligans. Apparently that was some kind of fantasy he's had or something.


The exchange rate obviously is not so good for us in the States. It was not quite 2 pounds : 1 dollar, but it was close. We didn't eat extravagantly, and stayed with friends, which kept the cost down. We took trains and the tube around, which were pretty cheap and easy to use once you know what you're doing. Happy

We spent about 8 hours in Paris; not nearly enough, of course, but enough to see Sacré Coeur, the Arc de Triomphe, the Eiffel Tower and Notre Dame. We spent 2 days wandering around London and also took a day bus trip to Windsor Castle, Salisbury Cathedral and Stonehenge. A great trip overall. I only wish the trip was longer and I was richer...

There was some important cricket match going on. I have no idea how that sport works. Apparently you can score more than your opponent and still lose or something. Also, the matches take days. Strange...

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PostPosted: Mon 26 Sep, 2005 9:31 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks for the pictures Chad, do you have any more of effigies by chance?
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PostPosted: Tue 27 Sep, 2005 6:16 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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Thanks for the pictures Chad, do you have any more of effigies by chance?


Unfortunately, I don't. Westminster, which doesn't allow pics, has a ton of effigies. I would have loved to snap away, especially with all the famous folks buried there. It's actually jam-packed with effigies. Ditto with the crypt in St. Paul's cathedral (no pics). Salisbury Cathedral had several effigies and did allow pics, but I didn't have time to get anything besides the one above.

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Unfortunately, I don't. Westminster, which doesn't allow pics, has a ton of effigies. I would have loved to snap away, especially with all the famous folks buried there. It's actually jam-packed with effigies. Ditto with the crypt in St. Paul's cathedral (no pics). Salisbury Cathedral had several effigies and did allow pics, but I didn't have time to get anything besides the one above.


Drat. That must have been sort of frustrating for you. Thanks for getting the pictures you did get.

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Drat. That must have been sort of frustrating for you. Thanks for getting the pictures you did get.


It was a little frustrating, but understandable. Most of those sites are still active places of worship. When you factor that in with wanting to preserve centuries-old art and wanting to show proper reverence for the deceased, I can see why they would disallow picture taking.

Notre Dame, in Paris, does allow pics. We were there during an afternoon Mass. I was surprised and dismayed by the number of people taking flash pictures of the church and the priests during Mass. I only took a few pics, sans flash, and tried to remain unobtrusive. People were trying to worship after all.

The Tower of London also allows pics, but I wanted to experience the place without having to worry about getting a bunch of shots. Plus, this was a trip for my wife and me (celebrating her graduation from school and the start of her new career and my recent 30th birthday), and out of respect for her, I wanted to not get bogged down in arms-and-armour-geekiness too much. It was our trip after all, not my trip. Happy

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It was a little frustrating, but understandable. Most of those sites are still active places of worship. When you factor that in with wanting to preserve centuries-old art and wanting to show proper reverence for the deceased, I can see why they would disallow picture taking.

Notre Dame, in Paris, does allow pics. We were there during an afternoon Mass. I was surprised and dismayed by the number of people taking flash pictures of the church and the priests during Mass. I only took a few pics, sans flash, and tried to remain unobtrusive. People were trying to worship after all.

The Tower of London also allows pics, but I wanted to experience the place without having to worry about getting a bunch of shots. Plus, this was a trip for my wife and me (celebrating her graduation from school and the start of her new career and my recent 30th birthday), and out of respect for her, I wanted to not get bogged down in arms-and-armour-geekiness too much. It was our trip after all, not my trip. Happy


Good points and good for you!

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PostPosted: Tue 27 Sep, 2005 8:14 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Congrats on the trip Chad,


I went over there a couple of years back, and it was a real treat! Really nice photo's too, I wanted to see the Tower of London, but we ran out of time when I was there.

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Hey Chad,

Thanks for the Cromwell Mortuary pic! Big Grin Was just looking through some photos of Warwick Castle from my last trip over there. Hard to believe it's been 6 yrs since our last visit. My wife is desparately wanting to go back, some time next year, to visit all her relatives around Cambridge & Newmarket. Out of all the trips over, we have never made it to London to site see, but I'd love to go next time.

Glad you folks enjoyed yourselves.

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PostPosted: Tue 27 Sep, 2005 5:33 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Chad Arnow wrote:
...Westminster, which doesn't allow pics, has a ton of effigies...It's actually jam-packed with effigies....

I would call it "cluttered" Laughing Out Loud
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There was some important cricket match going on. I have no idea how that sport works. Apparently you can score more than your opponent and still lose or something. Also, the matches take days. Strange...


Some important match?? That was the Ashes, Chad! We invented cricket you see, but like most sports we invent we started to suck at it. Eventually, in 1882, the Aussies beat us at our own game and everyone was so upset that they burnt the stumps (for you yanks, the vertical sticks you are supposed to hit when bowling and protect while batting) and gave the ashes to the Aussies in a little urn. Since then, once a year, England and Australia have played a test series (made up of 5 test matches of four days each) to decide who gets the ashes. This year, England won for the first time since 1982, AND our team is getting better while the Aussie team is getting old. English cricket lives! I would explain the rules, but it would take a while, and wouldn't technically be anything to do with swords. Just think of chess on a pitch, with bats, a ball and lots of white outfits. Oh and gentlemanly behaviour- very different from the football hooligans.

Sorry about the exchange rate, but it's great for me when buying an albion. Happy

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I think we last won the ashes in 1987 actually. I wasn't really a cricket fan until about 3 weeks ago. Big Grin

Chad, did you manage to get to the Temple church (i can't remember the exact name), you know, the one with all the effigies of 12th-13th century knights?
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Hisham Gaballa wrote:
I think we last won the ashes in 1987 actually. I wasn't really a cricket fan until about 3 weeks ago. Big Grin

Chad, did you manage to get to the Temple church (i can't remember the exact name), you know, the one with all the effigies of 12th-13th century knights?


Damn- you're right. I was thinking of the last ever 'great' ashes series that some pundits were talking about. Hooray for the new fans- bravo sir! Big Grin

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Hisham Gaballa wrote:
Chad, did you manage to get to the Temple church (i can't remember the exact name), you know, the one with all the effigies of 12th-13th century knights?


No, I didn't get to that one. We only got to Westminster Abbey and St. Paul's. Maybe next time. Happy

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