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Cerjak JL




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PostPosted: Fri 06 Jul, 2018 12:28 pm    Post subject: A group of helmets whose resemblance seems disturbing.         Reply with quote

This type of helmet appeared suddenly in auction sales about five years and are with some surprising similarities.
The research that I made in the main collections of European and American museums as well as in post-2000 auction catalogs Have remained in vain: no similar example but of course some examples approaching vaguely.
However these four helmets seem to come from the same place and made by the same hands (only patinas differ)
The first helmet with the description “ helmet of the bodyguards of Louis XIV” by the seller.
I wonder what are the elements that allowed to assign this helmet to the guards of Louis XIV.
The second is his” twin brother” but with a strange surface oxidation
The third still the same helmet but shiny polished
Finally, the fourth of which only the visor differs from other helmets finish similar to the third.
Maybe forum members know of other examples to add to this disturbing collection?
The question is: Are these helmets sold in budgets of 12 to 40.000 € authentic? If not, how could these helmets escape the vigilance of the experts?



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Cerjak JL




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PostPosted: Fri 06 Jul, 2018 12:36 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

morre pics helm1 other will follow


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Cerjak JL




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PostPosted: Fri 06 Jul, 2018 12:42 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

now the second helmet


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Cerjak JL




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PostPosted: Fri 06 Jul, 2018 12:44 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

one more pictures helmet


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Cerjak JL




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PostPosted: Fri 06 Jul, 2018 12:50 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

helmet 3 more pic to compare with helm1 & 2


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Cerjak JL




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PostPosted: Fri 06 Jul, 2018 12:54 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

now the last helmet with different visor


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Xavier Nihoul




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PostPosted: Fri 06 Jul, 2018 1:11 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Who sold this? Name and site please
Too much similarities and come from nowhere.
Basic principle of Holly Peter, it's a Fake until proven otherwise.
I'll Ask to an expert
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Peter Spätling
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PostPosted: Fri 06 Jul, 2018 1:39 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

They *could* be good. But to me they seem really fishy. All the decorative lines are there. Really good work. The rivets are spot on, ok, those might be modern. No damage or deep rust marks whatsoever. Why the heck do multiple helmets that really look the same show up at the same time?
On one of them, the more reddish/brown one, I'd say that someone created this surface on purpose.

Why experts don't notice? Some experts, forgive my rudeness, are just idiots.
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Xavier Nihoul




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PostPosted: Fri 06 Jul, 2018 3:54 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

they have an interest in selling counterfeit merchandise
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Cerjak JL




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PostPosted: Sat 07 Jul, 2018 1:00 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Xavier Nihoul wrote:
Who sold this? Name and site please
Too much similarities and come from nowhere.
Basic principle of Holly Peter, it's a Fake until proven otherwise.
I'll Ask to an expert


The origins:
Helm 1 & 4 Italy same auction house
https://www.justcollecting.com/miscellania/30k-helmet-of-louis-xiiis-bodyguard-for-sale
helm 3 UK
https://www.peterfiner.com/peter-finer-catalogues/view/4/
HELM 2 private collection
Also the helmet said to be of the bodyguards of Louis XIII and not Louis XIV



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Cerjak JL




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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jul, 2018 6:06 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

a good and authentic helmet in the MET for comparison
https://images.metmuseum.org/CRDImages/aa/original/09.167_006AA2015.jpg



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