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Alexander B.




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PostPosted: Wed 15 Feb, 2017 9:27 am    Post subject: Ricasso and scabbards.         Reply with quote

Ahoy.

I am making a few scabbards, but now am wondering what to do with a 1580ish cavalry Sword. It has a blunt, rectangular ricasso, and I have no clue wether or not that is supposed to be covered by the scabbard, too.

I'd apreciate advise.

Whenever I try to search the interwebz for reference material, I am flooded with repros, many of questionable historical accuracy.

Thanks a lot,

Alex

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PostPosted: Wed 15 Feb, 2017 10:30 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I would think that the ricasso would be covered by the scabbard, unless the guard is built with such things as ring guards, finger rings, etc. that go down the ricasso and not allow the scabbard to go all the way up to completely cover the blade. That's just MY way of seeing it. Happy ....McM
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PostPosted: Wed 15 Feb, 2017 10:39 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I recall seeing rapier scabbards with tongues extending over the ricasso, but open on the sides. I think there's something like that in the Wallace Collection.
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PostPosted: Wed 15 Feb, 2017 11:18 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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recall seeing rapier scabbards with tongues extending over the ricasso, but open on the sides. I think there's something like that in the Wallace Collection.


That is because the various rings and guards of the guard often come very close to the blade at the sides so they scabbard cannot be closed at the sides.

Generally the ricassso is covered.

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Alexander B.




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PostPosted: Wed 15 Feb, 2017 11:38 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The mystical Tod himself responding! I am unworthy *bowing down furiously*

Big Grin

Well, so, soe the 'being open' only apply to the one side that has a ring close to it, then?

I'll try snap a photo of the sword in question.

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Guillaume Vauthier




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PostPosted: Wed 15 Feb, 2017 11:44 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here are two pics that I took of a rapier of the Musée de l'Armée in Paris:





The quality is all but beautiful, but you can see the two tongues of the scabbard, covering the ricasso on each side.
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PostPosted: Wed 15 Feb, 2017 12:45 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yes...Seeing the actual sword you plan to build the scabbard for would be a great help. Do post! Happy ....McM
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Alexander B.




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PostPosted: Wed 15 Feb, 2017 12:53 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It's a cavalry sword by Wladimir Cervenka.

I intent to get a 3/4 armour at some point, and wonder what sort of suspension such an armoured trooper would likely have used for such a sword (and the matching dagger)

The pictures are great, btw.



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