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John McKelvy





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PostPosted: Fri 18 Mar, 2016 12:21 pm    Post subject: "headphones" on 15th century helmets         Reply with quote

Greetings!

I am in the process of putting together some 15th c. kit for SCA cut-and-thrust. I've noticed that, in a lot of period illustrations, the helms have what look like metal headphones covering the ears. Just dished disks, really. However, I have not seen any modern armorer making helmets with these.

Here's the weird thing: the disks seem to come with various different helmet styles. On some, they appear to protect the hinge-point for the visor. On others, they just seem to be ornamental or supplemental protection.

What's going on here?


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John McKelvy





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PostPosted: Fri 18 Mar, 2016 12:29 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

In this example, the helm in question is at the upper right of the image in the background.


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PostPosted: Fri 18 Mar, 2016 12:34 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote


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Mark Griffin




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PostPosted: Sat 19 Mar, 2016 5:29 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Just simple additional protective rondels. Not on all helms of course but common enough. Bit of handy extra protection, esp if you are in an open face helmet.

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William P




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PostPosted: Sat 19 Mar, 2016 8:12 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mark Griffin wrote:
Just simple additional protective rondels. Not on all helms of course but common enough. Bit of handy extra protection, esp if you are in an open face helmet.

Griff
and also perhaps in some cases they might cover joints / hinge points, as seen in the sallet inj the fechtbuch and in the great bascinet

i know it;'s a fairly standard feature in armets to cover the lacing for the wrapper
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PostPosted: Mon 28 Mar, 2016 1:36 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Helmet's rondells were used anywhere outside Germany and France? They were used from what period, and when they began to come into disuse?
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