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Dave Wenger




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PostPosted: Tue 03 Feb, 2015 2:09 pm    Post subject: Help to identify sword         Reply with quote

Some 30 years ago I rescued what I believed was a Military sword, scabbard and harness from being thrown into a land fill. I felt it held some, perhaps even a significant amount of History that should not be disposed of in such a manner.

I never did much to try and identify it until very recently. I now believe it to be an Antique Imperial Russian Military Sword the “Baklanov Shashka” favoured by the Kuban Cossacks. I have read that this type of sword was used up to and including WW-2. I am hoping that someone knowledgeable on this forum can provide some assistance in identifying it, to that end I have attached the following photos:

Stamp mark J on lower right side of capped end of the scabbard.

Stamp marks on the right side of the scabbard band lower mark is a J, middle is a mark similar to that shown in next photo and the upper stampings appear to be the numbers 16 or 91 depending on the view taken.

A mark on leather scabbard just below the upper harness attachment that appears similar to other stampings on metal. This could also be an accidental mark but it appears intentional?

Close up of right side together with upper brass of scabbard showing serial number stamp, 595 on each.

Closer view of right side of blade and hilt stamps.

View of the right side showing blade and hilt stamps. There are very small J stamps just above and just below the wooden grip.

View of the left side of a logo and date stamp on the blade and a different logo and date stamp on the hilt. Both date stamps read 1898.

Overall view of sword, scabbard and harness. Sword length is 39 ½ inches, the weight is about 1.4 pounds, and the sheathed length is 40 1/8 inches.



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Dave Wenger




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PostPosted: Tue 03 Feb, 2015 2:15 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sorry the photos went into my message exactly how I intended them however when I checked the message prior to submission they were in a reverse order, I therefore changed the wording of my post to follow the photo layout I was seeing in the checked message. Oh well live and learn. Any assistance is appreciated.

djw
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Peter Messent




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PostPosted: Tue 03 Feb, 2015 2:41 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The pattern is an 1881 model, I think. The scabbard looks right, also, from what I've seen.

I'm not an expert on later military swords at all (though I do like shasquas) but the stamps, while I don't know what they mean, remind me very much of the irregular (seemingly random placement) stampings on my old Mosin Nagant and SKS.

That said, I think every modern production Shasqua I've seen was a copy of this design, so hopefully someone more experience will chime in.

Whether it's fake or real, I think it was worth saving!
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Luka Borscak




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PostPosted: Tue 03 Feb, 2015 3:35 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

There is no replica that light, I wish there were. Wink
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Dave Wenger




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PostPosted: Wed 04 Feb, 2015 10:16 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

In light of Luka Borscak's comment I re-weighed the sword on a more accurate scale. The weight is 1 pound 14 ounces.
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Luka Borscak




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PostPosted: Wed 04 Feb, 2015 1:16 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Dave Wenger wrote:
In light of Luka Borscak's comment I re-weighed the sword on a more accurate scale. The weight is 1 pound 14 ounces.


Much heavier, but still sounds good for a military blade. With all the stamps you have on it, I think you can be sure it's an original. Are you keeping it or looking to sell it?
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