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Neil Melville




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PostPosted: Sat 19 Jul, 2014 8:21 am    Post subject: 2-handed sabre         Reply with quote

Hi All,
I hope someone can help my failing memory. I have a reference in my notes to a 2-handed sabre in the Tojhus Museet(Royal Armoury) in Copenhagen, inv. no. C119. But I cannot remember where I found it, or whether it was a written ref. or a photo. I have spent hours trawling through my books and suitable on-line sources with no luck,(the Tojhus doesn't seem to put any photos on-line) so if anyone out there knows of a ref. or even better a photo, please post it. Many thanks.
Neil

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Matthew G.M. Korenkiewicz




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PostPosted: Sat 19 Jul, 2014 2:22 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Not sure if this may help, NM ... But if you scroll to the last page of my thread here ...

http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t...mp;start=0

There are some pictures of what I think might be two-handed sabers. I don't know
if they are for sure, but this came to mind when I notice your post ...
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Neil Melville




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PostPosted: Sat 19 Jul, 2014 3:37 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks for taking the trouble, Matthew. I like your 'Mehmet' and the original Ottoman kilij which inspired it. The group of Hungarian sabres is interesting too, though I wouldn't really regard them as 2-handers. The search continues.
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Cornelis Tromp




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PostPosted: Sun 20 Jul, 2014 4:52 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

from Bern Switzerland
actually it is not a saber but a sword because there is a pommel, but it has a curved single edged blade and is a two hander.

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Neil Melville




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PostPosted: Sun 20 Jul, 2014 4:44 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks, Jasper. Yes that is one amazing sword. I knew of it already - I have Wegeli's catalogue. But why can't a sabre have a pommel? It isn't a messer after all. The search for the Tojhus one continues.
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Neil

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Cornelis Tromp




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PostPosted: Sun 20 Jul, 2014 11:50 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

yes a saber can have a pommel, I meant an asymmetrical grip. All of this of course depends on the definition that is used.

fe. the definition of Heribert Seitz Blankwaffen p183.
the word saber has a magyaric origin szablya , Servian and russian sablja , french and english sabre, spanish sable italian sciabla . The saber is a weapon that is worn on the side, with long curved blade and asymmetrical, often slightly forward bent handle/grip.
the curvature of the saber offers an extension of the cutting edge and is for a combined blow and cutting function created.

attached a weapon which you know of for sure, still not the saber you're looking for, but a nice example which I can not describe what is ; not a Messer (no riveted grip) not a saber (no curved blade) and not a sword (no pommel).

vbw,
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Neil Melville




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PostPosted: Mon 21 Jul, 2014 7:58 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yes that 2-hander in Paris must be unique - I've examined it (in its case) from 6 inches away. It has been described as Swiss, eastern Europe/ Hungarian etc but I've never seen anything like it anywhere else. By the way there is a 2-handed sabre very like the one in Bern in St Petersburg - it's been posted here some time ago and is also in the city picture guide book.
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Neil

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Cornelis Tromp




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PostPosted: Mon 21 Jul, 2014 12:23 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Neil Melville wrote:
Yes that 2-hander in Paris must be unique - I've examined it (in its case) from 6 inches away. It has been described as Swiss, eastern Europe/ Hungarian etc but I've never seen anything like it anywhere else. By the way there is a 2-handed sabre very like the one in Bern in St Petersburg - it's been posted here some time ago and is also in the city picture guide book.
Best,
Neil


I have only seen it in art.
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