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Sven P




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PostPosted: Sun 15 Dec, 2013 11:28 am    Post subject: lower arm defences- 13th century         Reply with quote

I am doing a western knight, mid to late 13th century. The only problem is that my shirt of maille has short sleeves, so I will need a separate defense for the lower arms. Any ideas?
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Mark Griffin




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PostPosted: Sun 15 Dec, 2013 12:16 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

oops, yes, reading the thread properly would have helped. You have 3 choices. mail, mail and mail... :-)

D'oh!


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PostPosted: Sun 15 Dec, 2013 1:27 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

umm no, mail. start working on adding to the sleeves. tapper them so there not huge tubes
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Dec, 2013 2:29 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I agree with Chuck. Maille is the way to go. Even if you buy a maille ring kit and stitch it to a leather vambrace, I think you would be okay. Besides, it would look cool as hell.............. Big Grin ...........McM
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Sven P




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PostPosted: Sun 15 Dec, 2013 5:49 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I made that haubergon myself, but I use it for more than just 13th. I need it have short sleeves.
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Dec, 2013 6:15 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I've seen illustrations of integrated maille mittens for XIIIth. Perhaps you could do "extended" mittens & lace them to the shorter sleeved maille shirt or, if you have "seasons" to the different personas you are doing (vs. changing out monthly based on events), actually weave them in & remove them, based on season. Would take some time, but wouldn't create the expense of a second set of maille to maintain proper armament for the particular period... If you only had to do it once or twice a year, might be worth the effort. Then again, I'm not the one that would be doing it! Happy
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Philip Dyer





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PostPosted: Sun 15 Dec, 2013 7:50 pm    Post subject: Re: lower arm defences- 13th century         Reply with quote

Sven P wrote:
I am doing a western knight, mid to late 13th century. The only problem is that my shirt of maille has short sleeves, so I will need a separate defense for the lower arms. Any ideas?

What is this for? SCA, Botn, ACL? What's your budget like? what's your time budget like?
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Jerry Berg





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PostPosted: Fri 04 Apr, 2014 8:45 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Man in the foreground in the lower right... undershirt... or VAMBRACES?!?!?!
...undershirt.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...le_10r.jpg

Crossbowman... undershirt?... or VAMBRACES!?!?!??!
...undershirt.
http://home.tiscali.nl/~t401243/mac/mac10vA.jpg


I always wondered why the 13th Century has plate greaves for legs, but nothing for the arms. You'd think the leg protection would be for cavalry, but most of the depictions are on infantry, so why didn't they just copy that for the forearms. Oh well, we've gotta go with what the documents tell us.

-Jerry
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Matthew Amt




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PostPosted: Fri 04 Apr, 2014 10:12 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jerry Berg wrote:
Man in the foreground in the lower right... undershirt... or VAMBRACES?!?!?!
...undershirt.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...le_10r.jpg

Crossbowman... undershirt?... or VAMBRACES!?!?!??!
...undershirt.
http://home.tiscali.nl/~t401243/mac/mac10vA.jpg


Those both show the regular tunic sleeve, the same thing every man is likely wearing under his armor.


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I always wondered why the 13th Century has plate greaves for legs, but nothing for the arms. You'd think the leg protection would be for cavalry, but most of the depictions are on infantry, so why didn't they just copy that for the forearms.


The arms are always a generation behind the legs. First knee cops, then elbow cops; then schynbalds, THEN vambraces. And I don't think I've seen anyone in the 13th or early 14th century with plates on the arms but not the legs (though obviously that's different by the late 15th century). It absolutely did start (and continue) with the mounted nobility, since they were the trend-setters for armor.

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Oh well, we've gotta go with what the documents tell us.


Yup! Forearms simply were never the main concern, from the Bronze Age through the middle ages.

Matthew
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Mart Shearer




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PostPosted: Fri 04 Apr, 2014 10:32 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

You could always use a shield. Razz
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