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Sven P
Location: Newyork Joined: 15 Jun 2013
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 Posted: Sun 15 Dec, 2013 11:28 am Post subject: lower arm defences- 13th century |
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I am doing a western knight, mid to late 13th century. The only problem is that my shirt of maille has short sleeves, so I will need a separate defense for the lower arms. Any ideas?
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Mark Griffin
Location: The Welsh Marches, in the hills above Newtown, Powys. Joined: 28 Dec 2006
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oops, yes, reading the thread properly would have helped. You have 3 choices. mail, mail and mail... :-)
D'oh!
Last edited by Mark Griffin on Mon 16 Dec, 2013 8:46 am; edited 1 time in total
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Chuck Russell
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umm no, mail. start working on adding to the sleeves. tapper them so there not huge tubes
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Mark Moore
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I agree with Chuck. Maille is the way to go. Even if you buy a maille ring kit and stitch it to a leather vambrace, I think you would be okay. Besides, it would look cool as hell..............  ...........McM
''Life is like a box of chocolates...'' --- F. Gump
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Sven P
Location: Newyork Joined: 15 Jun 2013
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I made that haubergon myself, but I use it for more than just 13th. I need it have short sleeves.
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Victor R.
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I've seen illustrations of integrated maille mittens for XIIIth. Perhaps you could do "extended" mittens & lace them to the shorter sleeved maille shirt or, if you have "seasons" to the different personas you are doing (vs. changing out monthly based on events), actually weave them in & remove them, based on season. Would take some time, but wouldn't create the expense of a second set of maille to maintain proper armament for the particular period... If you only had to do it once or twice a year, might be worth the effort. Then again, I'm not the one that would be doing it! 
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Philip Dyer
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| Posted: Sun 15 Dec, 2013 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: lower arm defences- 13th century |
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| Sven P wrote: | | I am doing a western knight, mid to late 13th century. The only problem is that my shirt of maille has short sleeves, so I will need a separate defense for the lower arms. Any ideas? |
What is this for? SCA, Botn, ACL? What's your budget like? what's your time budget like?
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Jerry Berg
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Man in the foreground in the lower right... undershirt... or VAMBRACES?!?!?!
...undershirt.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...le_10r.jpg
Crossbowman... undershirt?... or VAMBRACES!?!?!??!
...undershirt.
http://home.tiscali.nl/~t401243/mac/mac10vA.jpg
I always wondered why the 13th Century has plate greaves for legs, but nothing for the arms. You'd think the leg protection would be for cavalry, but most of the depictions are on infantry, so why didn't they just copy that for the forearms. Oh well, we've gotta go with what the documents tell us.
-Jerry
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Matthew Amt
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Those both show the regular tunic sleeve, the same thing every man is likely wearing under his armor.
| Quote: | | I always wondered why the 13th Century has plate greaves for legs, but nothing for the arms. You'd think the leg protection would be for cavalry, but most of the depictions are on infantry, so why didn't they just copy that for the forearms. |
The arms are always a generation behind the legs. First knee cops, then elbow cops; then schynbalds, THEN vambraces. And I don't think I've seen anyone in the 13th or early 14th century with plates on the arms but not the legs (though obviously that's different by the late 15th century). It absolutely did start (and continue) with the mounted nobility, since they were the trend-setters for armor.
| Quote: | | Oh well, we've gotta go with what the documents tell us. |
Yup! Forearms simply were never the main concern, from the Bronze Age through the middle ages.
Matthew
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Mart Shearer
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You could always use a shield. 
ferrum ferro acuitur et homo exacuit faciem amici sui
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This is a standard topic