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Foong Chen Hong




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PostPosted: Sat 12 Oct, 2013 10:18 am    Post subject: Crusade period inspired dagger         Reply with quote

After seeing Boris Bedrosov's longsword project, I get motivated and clear the dust off my grinder to start working on my first blade project.

It is based off this image, the second dagger on below:


Current progress:




Steel type: Carbon Steel 1045
Thickness: 4.5cm

As this is my first blade progress, I'd like to see what's you guys thought, or advice that I can learn from.

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PostPosted: Sat 12 Oct, 2013 10:38 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I don't think your pics made it. Give them another try............mcm
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PostPosted: Sat 12 Oct, 2013 10:45 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mark Moore wrote:
I don't think your pics made it. Give them another try............mcm


I dunno why my pic doesn't work with img tag here, the link work fine with img tag in other forum though...

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PostPosted: Sat 12 Oct, 2013 10:56 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Don't know why they aren't showing up. Maybe try photobucket....some servers just don't seem to work on here.

Here are the direct links to the pictures above:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1383146_10200623184653757_500865721_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1383874_10200623184773760_1213298357_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1393892_10200623184693758_1768425918_n.jpg

and the original:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1381689_10200604015534541_1231672840_n.jpg

Keep us posted. Looking forward to seeing how this turns out.

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PostPosted: Sat 12 Oct, 2013 11:26 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks, I change the host to imgur, which they work.

I also edited the first post with little more info.

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PostPosted: Sun 13 Oct, 2013 3:12 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Well, not the best pictures but this doesn't matter anyway.

I would recommend you
* clamp the blank well by any means you've got - C-clamps, F-clamps, vice.... This is for your own safety first
** it's better to use thinner (1 mm) cutting disc instead of the standard 3 mm - the cutting goes faster and cleaner; the grinder works easier
*** in future avoid right angles at the blade / tang transition area, use round instead. In the past the tang was forged, not cut. I know, it's not so essential in short blades (like daggers), but in some future project you might ruin a good sword you've made just because this area is not correct
**** last but not least - wear personal protection - goggles, dust-mask, ear protection, gloves

I'm waiting to see this beauty finished.
And of course, you could ask anytime you want.

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PostPosted: Sun 13 Oct, 2013 4:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Crusade period inspired dagger         Reply with quote

Foong Chen Hong wrote:
After seeing Boris Bedrosov's longsword project, I get motivated and clear the dust off my grinder to start working on my first blade project.

It is based off this image, the second dagger on below:


Current progress:




Steel type: Carbon Steel 1045
Thickness: 4.5cm

As this is my first blade progress, I'd like to see what's you guys thought, or advice that I can learn from.


Maer agoreg (You have made well).... I'm also working on something of this nature - but lack the skill to actually form a blade. My approach - from commercial component offerings.... a Work in Progress (not yet wrapped)....



Not as authentic - I tend to do things like this Happy.

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PostPosted: Sun 13 Oct, 2013 7:14 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Boris Bedrosov wrote:
Well, not the best pictures but this doesn't matter anyway.

I would recommend you
* clamp the blank well by any means you've got - C-clamps, F-clamps, vice.... This is for your own safety first
** it's better to use thinner (1 mm) cutting disc instead of the standard 3 mm - the cutting goes faster and cleaner; the grinder works easier
*** in future avoid right angles at the blade / tang transition area, use round instead. In the past the tang was forged, not cut. I know, it's not so essential in short blades (like daggers), but in some future project you might ruin a good sword you've made just because this area is not correct
**** last but not least - wear personal protection - goggles, dust-mask, ear protection, gloves

I'm waiting to see this beauty finished.
And of course, you could ask anytime you want.

By right angles you mean the tang is curved, right? I am trying to fix that.

Can you tell me any tip at thinning the blade at diamond grind?

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Oct, 2013 12:34 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yep, I mean this (look at the bottom of the picture)



transitional area. It should be curved, not at right angle.

About the diamond cross-section:
* draw the center line of the blade (you should come to something like this)



** then comes the tricky part - you need to draw another center line, but this time over the thinner surface of your blade - where the cutting edge will be.
If you didn't make the distal taper so far, this step would be quite easy. If you did - you should take several measurement of the thickness alongside the blade and to calculate and mark the middle.
If this is the first blade you make, I personally would recommend you not to make distal taper - then the blade is fairly easy to make, but the experience you would get is invaluable.

*** then you should grind all metal between these to lines. Please, work slow and carefully; you would feel by yourself how to do this exactly. The easiest way is to hold the tool at some angle, but there are some other tricks that are very difficult to be explained - they should be exactly felt.

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Oct, 2013 5:16 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Boris Bedrosov wrote:

If you didn't make the distal taper so far, this step would be quite easy. If you did - you should take several measurement of the thickness alongside the blade and to calculate and mark the middle.
If this is the first blade you make, I personally would recommend you not to make distal taper - then the blade is fairly easy to make, but the experience you would get is invaluable.


as a note, I learnt from a friend that its actually really simple to make a distal grind on a diamond section, without having to do any grinding to the flats beforehand

here's a little picture of what I mean - the angles are exaggerated for clarity.


what you do is you grind past the midline - so you mark your line out maybe 5-6mm off to one side, and grind that edge on each side of the blade.

then you mark the midline on the blade, and grind the other side. because you've ground past the midline, when you grind back to there, you're removing material, and the thickness is reduced - distal taper.

I love geometry - its fascinating Happy



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PostPosted: Tue 15 Oct, 2013 2:59 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks for these tips and advice, I will show the shape when I done cutting the final shape out
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PostPosted: Tue 15 Oct, 2013 4:22 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

After hours of cutting and grinding, this is how it end up. The blade and tang is indeed curved, my grave mistake, but it is my first time doing this and nothing else I could do but move on.






4.5 CM thick.

(want to try out James's method but afraid failing.

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PostPosted: Fri 18 Oct, 2013 11:11 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote



Trying out method suggested by James.

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