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Do the swords in the picture collage below appear to be the same sword?
Definitely yes
74%
 74%  [ 112 ]
Definitely no
0%
 0%  [ 1 ]
I think so
19%
 19%  [ 29 ]
I don't think so
4%
 4%  [ 6 ]
I don't know
1%
 1%  [ 2 ]
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Sep, 2013 9:21 am    Post subject: Do you think these are the same sword?         Reply with quote

Now for an entirely unscientific poll. Happy Do the swords in the picture collage below appear to be the same sword?

Why or why not?



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PostPosted: Fri 13 Sep, 2013 9:42 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yes

The decay, flaking, or whatever it is on the guard is identical.
I can't see all the nicks on the blade in the both examples, but one that I do see there is in exactly the same place on both swords
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Sep, 2013 9:45 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That's definitely the same sword. Look at the edge damage. It is the same on both.
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Sep, 2013 9:53 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I am baffled that there is even a question that they are not.
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Sep, 2013 10:16 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I'm no expert, and I'm sure to make a professional opinion one would need to
see more, but I don't " think " the swords are the same. To me the grips appear
different, as does the hilt in the lower pic ...
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Sep, 2013 10:30 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yes, anyone without an agenda can see that.
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Sep, 2013 10:44 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yes, the hits to the blade, among other things, are conclusive.

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Sep, 2013 10:44 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I originally voted "I think so", however upon further review I would have to change that to "definitely yes". The marks, chips and dings on the blade, guard and pommel appear to be identical in both these pictures(taking into account lighting and angle differences). If not the same sword, then they were made by the same craftsman on the same day and had an identical life (including battles, dents, dings and corrosion). The chances of that seem infinitesimally small.
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Sep, 2013 10:55 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Given their identical nature, it would be statistically impossible for them to be separate pieces. There is simply no way two centuries-old swords could have been damaged and eroded in the exact same manner, with identical nicks in the blades, the gliding flaking off in the same spots and the grips damaged in such a way as to be indistinguishable.

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Sep, 2013 10:55 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Probably. The only reason I'm not saying "definitely" is that I've seen things like special edition musical instruments which have carefully had the various nicks and dents of the original model lovingly transferred to the new one, such as Fender's Jaco Pastorius Tribute Bass; but I'm just mentioning that as an outside possibility rather than something I actually think is the case.

Apologies if that's getting rather off the point!

Edit: though if they're both confirmed antiques, yeah, they're the same sword.
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Sep, 2013 11:03 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I too voted definitely yes. They do definitely appear to be the same sword, however I couldn't say that they definitely are the same sword.
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Sep, 2013 11:04 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

To my eyes and my wife's eyes the swords are identical , right down to the edge nicks
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Sep, 2013 11:15 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Identical Twins.
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Sep, 2013 11:21 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

no.the guilt is different,the hilt is different and the blade damage is different.the fuller and pommel is also different.
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Sep, 2013 12:26 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

They look exactly the same to me. When you consider how many swords from the era were lost to history, what are the chances that 2 basically exact copies of each other remain today, in exactly the same state of decay? Similar/sister example of other swords exist we know this as has been pointed out by Oakeshott for instance, but spot on exact? Then there are the nicks on the blade and the flaking/corrosion on the cross that match on these 2 which puts it beyond question, IMO.

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Sep, 2013 1:06 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Brandt Giese wrote:
I am baffled that there is even a question that they are not.

I'm sharing the same opinion...

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Sep, 2013 1:23 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Does this post have anything to do with the following?

http://darksword-armory.com/products-page/med...word-1368/

I've been to the ROM many times and have never seen this sword.
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Sep, 2013 1:38 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Definitely the same. As others have said earlier the damage to the top edge (in the image) is identical as is the wear pattern in the gilded hilt.
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Sep, 2013 1:49 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Due to the fairly poor quality of the photos (lighting, angle of the picture, etc...), it's hard to say for certain if they are the same sword. However, I will say this: Every clear and identifiable feature on both swords appear very similar, if not exactly the same, and I can find no features that are positively identifiable as being different. If I were a betting man, I would put my money on them being the same sword, and I would be very surprised if I didn't walk away from that bet a little wealthier.....
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Sep, 2013 1:57 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

J.D. Crawford wrote:
Does this post have anything to do with the following?

http://darksword-armory.com/products-page/med...word-1368/

I've been to the ROM many times and have never seen this sword.


Specifically due to this I imagine: http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=28834

I'm a bit surprised there's even a debate. The photos aren't that good, but anyone with the slightest eye for detail can see they're photos of the same sword. As for DSAs claim to basing their product on this original? Well, based upon the photos on their website I can tell it has a pointy blade and a yellow metal hilt, other than that the fine details of the original are completely missing from their effort. Stating they used the original as an inspiration really doesn't do their sales pitch any good considering the two swords are so far apart in their details.

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