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Foong Chen Hong




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PostPosted: Sat 22 Jun, 2013 4:59 pm    Post subject: 12-13 century Great Helm reproduction         Reply with quote

So I saw alot of these great helms out there that are not really historical accurate and these does are really hard to find.

So beside Royal Oak armoury, Arms & Armoury and manning imperial.

Do any of you know more armourer that make historical accurate great helms and sell them?(and not overpriced for my currency)

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Gregory J. Liebau




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PostPosted: Sat 22 Jun, 2013 5:08 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Some decent stuff posted in this thread:

http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t...great+helm
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Foong Chen Hong




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PostPosted: Sat 22 Jun, 2013 5:33 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I done some research myself, what I am looking for is people that make them
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Gregory J. Liebau




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PostPosted: Sat 22 Jun, 2013 5:39 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I posted several makers in that thread with examples of their work. If you care to look at it you will see; it's the sixth post.
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PostPosted: Sat 22 Jun, 2013 6:25 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Gregory J. Liebau wrote:
I posted several makers in that thread with examples of their work. If you care to look at it you will see; it's the sixth post.

Oh damn, now I feel like slapping myself. Sorry xD

Are there anymore with later design?

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Gregory J. Liebau




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PostPosted: Sat 22 Jun, 2013 7:08 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Well, do realize that all of the armorers posted - both by myself and those you mentioned already - deal primarily with custom work. Their previous work posted on their sites is only exemplary, and they generally take custom commissions. Depending on the quality and finish you desire, almost any of those mentioned can make any helm style. There are several more but since I already added my share I'll let others chime in. Tomorrow if no one's mentioned a couple that I have in mind I'll get back to you with more options. For now I must be off! Cheers.

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Brian Robson





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PostPosted: Mon 01 Jul, 2013 8:25 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

For Great-helms, you need to nail down the period more. They change quite a bit through that time, and are one of the main things in a high-medieval interpretation that will determine which decade you're doing..

I wouldn't really say we had great-helms in the 12c - but helmets with faceplates started to appear in the last 20 years (but were still quite rare). Early 13c showed these evolve to the more familiar barrel-shaped helm. Mid-13c saw them start to experiment with more shaping/glancing surfaces and the end of the 13c started to see the more swept-back top-halves of the helmets.

For mid-13c (my era of focus) - I like these:

http://www.kovexars.cz/index.php?poloha=zbran...na=Helmets - Look at the "Rounded Helmet" They look mutch better in person..

And my favourite by far (after spending a LOT of time looking through suppliers):
http://jollyknight.com.ua/armoury/product_inf...cts_id=117
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Foong Chen Hong




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PostPosted: Mon 01 Jul, 2013 9:27 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Brian Robson wrote:
For Great-helms, you need to nail down the period more. They change quite a bit through that time, and are one of the main things in a high-medieval interpretation that will determine which decade you're doing..

I wouldn't really say we had great-helms in the 12c - but helmets with faceplates started to appear in the last 20 years (but were still quite rare). Early 13c showed these evolve to the more familiar barrel-shaped helm. Mid-13c saw them start to experiment with more shaping/glancing surfaces and the end of the 13c started to see the more swept-back top-halves of the helmets.

For mid-13c (my era of focus) - I like these:

http://www.kovexars.cz/index.php?poloha=zbran...na=Helmets - Look at the "Rounded Helmet" They look mutch better in person..

And my favourite by far (after spending a LOT of time looking through suppliers):
http://jollyknight.com.ua/armoury/product_inf...cts_id=117


Well, I kinda like the design of Bolzano and Dargen helms.

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Matthew P. Adams




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PostPosted: Mon 01 Jul, 2013 8:08 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

http://www.wintertreecrafts.com/catalogues/helms.html

Eric makes these for WMA so the picture shows optional pierced steel eye protection, also they are made smaller than many historic examples because these are made to be the sole head protection and not to fit over a secondary helmet or secret.

He makes them to order though so you can hash out details, I would trust this helmet to take quite a beating. I have one of his brigantine gorgets and the quality is excellent. I've also met him a few times at various events and he is great to deal with, trustworthy, and all around good guy. There are rumors of gauntlets, and I can't wait to see what he turns out.

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PostPosted: Mon 01 Jul, 2013 9:14 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Just a reminder that the Pembridge helm is thought to date to the 1370s, well beyond the 13th century.
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Foong Chen Hong




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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul, 2013 6:32 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/995153_10200222741162920_905786997_n.jpg
I based this off the French great helm shown in the Morgan M.638 Maciejowski Bible during mid 13 century.

I will see if I can get it made

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul, 2013 7:02 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Check out Albion's great helm.
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul, 2013 7:06 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Brandt Giese wrote:
Check out Albion's great helmet.


Not historical accurate enough.

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul, 2013 7:08 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

What is not accurate?
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul, 2013 7:22 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Brandt Giese wrote:
What is not accurate?


http://www.albion-swords.com/armor/lars/greathelm.htm
dis

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul, 2013 7:30 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That is an Albion Mark piece not a fantasy piece so please enlighten me on what exactly is not accurate. We do not have many surviving examples of 13c helms and artwork is sketchy at best.
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul, 2013 8:13 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

They based it off the dargen with their own twist in it, so I'd rather get Royal Oak's dargen helm
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul, 2013 8:31 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

If Lars based his on the Dargen helm with his own twist that does not make it historically inaccurate. I missed that you were looking for a historical reproduction of an authentic 12 or 13c Great Helm. I guess you could say that all of Albion's swords other that their museum line are historically inaccurate using this argument. I am truly curious to hear from myArmoury's experts to the historical inaccuracies of this helm.
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul, 2013 8:33 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Brandt Giese wrote:
If Lars based his on the Dargen helm with his own twist that does not make it historically inaccurate. I missed that you were looking for a historical reproduction of an authentic 12 or 13c Great Helm. I guess you could say that all of Albion's swords other that their museum line are historically inaccurate using this argument. I am truly curious to hear from myArmoury's experts to the historical inaccuracies of this helm.

I never said their sword are inaccurate, I like their swords just not their helm.

Moving on.

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul, 2013 8:51 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Foong Chen Hong wrote:
Brandt Giese wrote:
Check out Albion's great helm.


Not historical accurate enough.


My posts had nothing to do with what you like but your statement. I can appreciate that you do not like the helm and respect that. I was curious as to why it was not historically accurate enough as it appears to be accurate.
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