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Taylor Ellis




PostPosted: Tue 11 Sep, 2012 5:56 am    Post subject: quillon Daggers         Reply with quote

I'm trying to find examples of quillon daggers from the 11th to the 14th centuries. Historical examples seem to be as rare as hen's teeth. Below is what I've found so far. Has anyone got any others?


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The original that inspired Nathan's Peter Johnsson

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Chad's repro of Alexander Balliol's dagger

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PostPosted: Tue 11 Sep, 2012 6:13 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here's a thread on 11th century daggers in general, which is where you got 2 of your images: http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=11375 .

Here's the dagger that inspired my reproduction:



There are likely more in my books, but that will take some digging.

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Taylor Ellis




PostPosted: Tue 11 Sep, 2012 6:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks Chad!

Just like contemporary swords, one thing you notice on the antique daggers from this period is how subtle and sophisticated the blade geometries are. Something that the vast, vast majority of repros miss.
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PostPosted: Tue 11 Sep, 2012 8:29 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Is that inlay I am seeing in the blade of the dagger in the second picture? An interesting detail to include in a possible reproduction.
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Taylor Ellis




PostPosted: Tue 11 Sep, 2012 8:38 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It very well could be?

Since that's Peter Johnsson's hand in the photo, I guess he'd be the one to ask! Wink
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Sep, 2012 9:03 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here are some more. Some of these might not be typical quillon daggers, but I don't know what else to call them. Happy


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13th century. Museo Del Bargello, Florence.

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Museo Del Bargello, Florence.

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Misc. 1 from Peterson's Daggers & Fighting Knives of the Western World.

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Misc. 2 from Peterson's Daggers & Fighting Knives of the Western World.

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Deutsches Historisches Museum. Left example 1300-1325, Burgundian. Right example: 14th century.

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Deutsches Historisches Museum. Captions begin at #52.

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PostPosted: Sat 15 Sep, 2012 5:54 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

herewith two more.
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Bartek Strojek




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PostPosted: Sat 15 Sep, 2012 8:45 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It seems that in 11th and 12th century daggers weren't yet popular, or at least got 'missed' in sources, because we don't have that much about them. Though there are still some traces.





This is from Barcelona and dated to around 1120, it seems.
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PostPosted: Sat 15 Sep, 2012 10:47 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Cornelis, I really like the first dagger in your post. Do you know the provenance or any specifications? Any info would be appreciated Happy
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PostPosted: Sat 15 Sep, 2012 9:35 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here's a colour pic of one of the daggers from the first picture posted:

X.4 Dagger, late 14th. century (Royal Armouries Leeds UK)
http://collections.royalarmouries.org/index.p...amp;pg=113

Dagger c 1400 (British Museum UK)
http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/search_...mpages=200

Here's a few Antennae Quillon Daggers:

X.1302 Dagger. Probably English, late 14th century (Royal Armouries Leeds UK)
http://collections.royalarmouries.org/index.p...amp;pg=132

There's another pic of this dagger here: http://www.myArmoury.com/review_aa_aunlaz.html

Bayerisches Armeemuseum Ingolstadt Germany:
http://www.armabohemia.cz/imgnew/epees/poignards/dg25v3.jpg

Replica by Arma Bohemia about half way down the page: http://www.armabohemia.cz/Novestr/daggersA.htm

There's also another pic of this dagger on the forums somewhere.


A Rare Medieval Dagger
with Rampant Lion Herald embossed on a heavy iron pommel.
In outstanding excavated condition. Length: 35 cm
13th Century
http://quaero-et-adamo.com/english/antique_daggers.htm

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