Info Favorites Register Log in
myArmoury.com Discussion Forums

Forum index Memberlist Usergroups Spotlight Topics Search
Forum Index > Off-topic Talk > Strap bridge? Reply to topic
This is a standard topic  
Author Message
Nick Hallacher





Joined: 12 Aug 2011

Posts: 23

PostPosted: Fri 16 Dec, 2011 2:32 pm    Post subject: Strap bridge?         Reply with quote

Hello,

I'm working on making a scabbard for my tinker viking (Along with a grip rewrap). I have the wood core done, no problem. Now for the strap bridge. Anyone know where one an be bought? I could probably make one out of wood...but my metal working skills are non-existent.

Also, how would one attach a scabbard bridge? Just leather straps around the scabbard to hold it in place? Twine? Rivets?


Thanks for your help,

Nick
View user's profile Send private message
Johan Gemvik




Location: Stockholm, Sweden
Joined: 10 Nov 2009

Spotlight topics: 1
Posts: 793

PostPosted: Fri 16 Dec, 2011 2:45 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Nick, you can either buy one or make one from antler or wood.

If you want one in metal you can try Druids site, which has one in bronze:
http://www.re-enactment.co.uk/product_info.ph...5r1keue4j6



The VSF35 scabbard slider is nice, needs some minor cleaning and buffing to get perfect but not too much. He has others too but these are more suitable for mainly Roman Iron age.


I'm sure there are others making similar scabbard sliders/ belt bridges. I'll see if I can find some more with my Google super powers. Wink

"The Dwarf sees farther than the Giant when he has the giant's shoulder to mount on" -Coleridge
View user's profile Send private message
Colt Reeves





Joined: 09 Mar 2009

Posts: 466

PostPosted: Fri 16 Dec, 2011 3:09 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It may not be particularly historical, but the thought occurs to me that if you found an appropriately sized dresser drawer handle, that might work fine. Maybe put short little screws in to hold it and put leather wrap over those to cover the heads up and make it look more historical.
"Tears are for the craven, prayers are for the clown.
Halters for the silly neck that cannot keep a crown.
As my loss is grievous, so my hope is small.
For Iron, Cold Iron, must be master of men all..."
-Cold Iron, Rudyard Kipling
View user's profile Send private message
Philip C. Ryan




Location: Omaha, NE
Joined: 04 Nov 2005
Likes: 1 page

Posts: 83

PostPosted: Fri 16 Dec, 2011 10:32 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

You could also make the strap ridge from wood, as that also appears to be historically accurate. As for attachment, lash it to the scabbard with leather lacing or plant fibers like you suggested.

Here are some examples found on this site:

http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=24467

http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=24200

http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=15001

Skjaldborg Viking Age Living History and Martial Combat
View user's profile Send private message
Matthew Bunker




Location: Somerset UK
Joined: 02 Apr 2009

Posts: 483

PostPosted: Sat 17 Dec, 2011 1:50 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Organic material is more usual for scabbard slides after the Vendel Period, or at least that's the assumption as they vary rarely turn up in the archaeological record.

Also, based on the evidence of 9th -11th century scabbard leathers and pictorial evidence, sliders of this period were fixed onto the wooden core underneath the leather, so any sort of decoration would be pointless.

Two of the best preserved Viking scabbard suspension systems were found on the Isle of Man. Both utulise the same style of baldric based system and neither have a slide.

"If a Greek can do it, two Englishman certainly can !"
View user's profile Send private message
M. Livermore





Joined: 20 Aug 2008

Posts: 90

PostPosted: Sat 17 Dec, 2011 5:12 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Matthew, do you know where I can find pictures or sketches of the scabbard finds you reference? I am not having good luck.
View user's profile Send private message
Philip C. Ryan




Location: Omaha, NE
Joined: 04 Nov 2005
Likes: 1 page

Posts: 83

PostPosted: Sun 18 Dec, 2011 8:50 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Underneath the leather? hmmm...learn something new every day! I have yet to build one, and so am just beginning my fine tuning of my research. As Mr. Livermore asked, do you happen to have pics, or links to any information? I cannot seem to locate anything with my mediocre Google-fu.
Skjaldborg Viking Age Living History and Martial Combat
View user's profile Send private message
Matthew Bunker




Location: Somerset UK
Joined: 02 Apr 2009

Posts: 483

PostPosted: Sun 18 Dec, 2011 9:51 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The two Isle of Mann scabbards are from Cronk Moar and Ballateare. Here's a pic of one I made last year utilising the system common to these two Viking scabbards (the cord work decoration is a copy of that found on the Cronk Moar scabbard), and links to a couple more photos showing more detail in my photobucket account :-


http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp263/medi...010867.jpg
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp263/medi...010866.jpg

I can post photos of the original finds as well if required?

Another viking scabbard which shows no sign of using a slide/bridge is the 'green and red diamond' scabbard found at Hedeby/Hathabu. There was no sign of a Cronk Moar style baldric system either so how this sort of scabbard was suspended remains a mystery. Possibly a baldric with a sliding loop.

For examples of Viking era scabbards with slits in the leather (indicating a sub-leather slider/bridge), take a look at Esther Cameron's book on the surviving scabbard leathers from Dublin; "Scabbards and Sheaths from Viking and Medieval Dublin".



 Attachment: 188.39 KB
cronkmoar.jpg


"If a Greek can do it, two Englishman certainly can !"
View user's profile Send private message
Ken Speed





Joined: 09 Oct 2006

Posts: 654

PostPosted: Sun 18 Dec, 2011 10:25 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Colt suggested that,"It may not be particularly historical, but the thought occurs to me that if you found an appropriately sized dresser drawer handle, that might work fine."

Well, MAYBE Colt, most cabinet and furniture decorative hardware is neither brass, bronze or iron but what is called 'white metal" or "pot metal" and is not very strong at all. I suppose you could do as you suggested as long as you were sure the metal was actually brass, bronze or iron.
View user's profile Send private message
Ken Speed





Joined: 09 Oct 2006

Posts: 654

PostPosted: Sun 18 Dec, 2011 10:27 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I have a corollary question. What materials are used to bind the bridge to the scabbard and does one adhere the bridge to the scabbard?
View user's profile Send private message
Nick Hallacher





Joined: 12 Aug 2011

Posts: 23

PostPosted: Sun 18 Dec, 2011 12:02 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I actually found a brass cabinet handle that I used. Just a simple one, relatively straight and flat. That I mounted on it with strips of leather to hold it in place.

Its not perfect, but it will allow me to wear and use the sword until I manage to actually get around to making a new scabbard.

Its a tinker viking, so I just cut and ground down the metal loops from the scabbard and then mounted the bridge directly on the stock scabbard. It will pass until I get along to making a new one.

Will post pictures as soon as the glue dries.
View user's profile Send private message
Andrew W




Location: Florida, USA
Joined: 14 Oct 2010

Posts: 78

PostPosted: Fri 23 Dec, 2011 10:19 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Matthew Bunker wrote:
For examples of Viking era scabbards with slits in the leather (indicating a sub-leather slider/bridge), take a look at Esther Cameron's book on the surviving scabbard leathers from Dublin; "Scabbards and Sheaths from Viking and Medieval Dublin".


You see the same thing with the Viking-period leather scabbard casings recovered from Coppergate, York, in another book authored by Cameron, Sheaths and scabbards in England AD400-1100. The strap bridges were under the leather (they left indentations in the scabbard casings showing their shapes, which were simple and undecorated). The leather was slit on each side of the bridge to allow a strap to go beneath it.
View user's profile Send private message
James Barker




Location: Ashburn VA
Joined: 20 Apr 2005

Posts: 365

PostPosted: Sat 24 Dec, 2011 7:07 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Matthew Bunker wrote:
The two Isle of Mann scabbards are from Cronk Moar and Ballateare. Here's a pic of one I made last year utilising the system common to these two Viking scabbards (the cord work decoration is a copy of that found on the Cronk Moar scabbard), and links to a couple more photos showing more detail in my photobucket account :-


http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp263/medi...010867.jpg
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp263/medi...010866.jpg

I can post photos of the original finds as well if required?


Matthew if it is not too much trouble could you post them; I would love to add it to my image collection.

Matthew Bunker wrote:
Another viking scabbard which shows no sign of using a slide/bridge is the 'green and red diamond' scabbard found at Hedeby/Hathabu.


Got images of that too?

James Barker
Historic Life http://www.historiclife.com/index.html
Archer in La Belle Compagnie http://www.labelle.org/
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website


Display posts from previous:   
Forum Index > Off-topic Talk > Strap bridge?
Page 1 of 1 Reply to topic
All times are GMT - 8 Hours

View previous topic :: View next topic
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum






All contents © Copyright 2003-2018 myArmoury.com — All rights reserved
Discussion forums powered by phpBB © The phpBB Group
Switch to the Basic Low-bandwidth Version of the forum