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Nick Hallacher
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Posted: Fri 16 Dec, 2011 2:32 pm Post subject: Strap bridge? |
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Hello,
I'm working on making a scabbard for my tinker viking (Along with a grip rewrap). I have the wood core done, no problem. Now for the strap bridge. Anyone know where one an be bought? I could probably make one out of wood...but my metal working skills are non-existent.
Also, how would one attach a scabbard bridge? Just leather straps around the scabbard to hold it in place? Twine? Rivets?
Thanks for your help,
Nick
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Johan Gemvik
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Posted: Fri 16 Dec, 2011 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Nick, you can either buy one or make one from antler or wood.
If you want one in metal you can try Druids site, which has one in bronze:
http://www.re-enactment.co.uk/product_info.ph...5r1keue4j6
The VSF35 scabbard slider is nice, needs some minor cleaning and buffing to get perfect but not too much. He has others too but these are more suitable for mainly Roman Iron age.
I'm sure there are others making similar scabbard sliders/ belt bridges. I'll see if I can find some more with my Google super powers.
"The Dwarf sees farther than the Giant when he has the giant's shoulder to mount on" -Coleridge
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Colt Reeves
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Posted: Fri 16 Dec, 2011 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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It may not be particularly historical, but the thought occurs to me that if you found an appropriately sized dresser drawer handle, that might work fine. Maybe put short little screws in to hold it and put leather wrap over those to cover the heads up and make it look more historical.
"Tears are for the craven, prayers are for the clown.
Halters for the silly neck that cannot keep a crown.
As my loss is grievous, so my hope is small.
For Iron, Cold Iron, must be master of men all..."
-Cold Iron, Rudyard Kipling
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Philip C. Ryan
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Matthew Bunker
Location: Somerset UK Joined: 02 Apr 2009
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Posted: Sat 17 Dec, 2011 1:50 am Post subject: |
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Organic material is more usual for scabbard slides after the Vendel Period, or at least that's the assumption as they vary rarely turn up in the archaeological record.
Also, based on the evidence of 9th -11th century scabbard leathers and pictorial evidence, sliders of this period were fixed onto the wooden core underneath the leather, so any sort of decoration would be pointless.
Two of the best preserved Viking scabbard suspension systems were found on the Isle of Man. Both utulise the same style of baldric based system and neither have a slide.
"If a Greek can do it, two Englishman certainly can !"
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M. Livermore
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Posted: Sat 17 Dec, 2011 5:12 am Post subject: |
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Matthew, do you know where I can find pictures or sketches of the scabbard finds you reference? I am not having good luck.
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Philip C. Ryan
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Posted: Sun 18 Dec, 2011 8:50 am Post subject: |
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Underneath the leather? hmmm...learn something new every day! I have yet to build one, and so am just beginning my fine tuning of my research. As Mr. Livermore asked, do you happen to have pics, or links to any information? I cannot seem to locate anything with my mediocre Google-fu.
Skjaldborg Viking Age Living History and Martial Combat
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Matthew Bunker
Location: Somerset UK Joined: 02 Apr 2009
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Posted: Sun 18 Dec, 2011 9:51 am Post subject: |
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The two Isle of Mann scabbards are from Cronk Moar and Ballateare. Here's a pic of one I made last year utilising the system common to these two Viking scabbards (the cord work decoration is a copy of that found on the Cronk Moar scabbard), and links to a couple more photos showing more detail in my photobucket account :-
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp263/medi...010867.jpg
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp263/medi...010866.jpg
I can post photos of the original finds as well if required?
Another viking scabbard which shows no sign of using a slide/bridge is the 'green and red diamond' scabbard found at Hedeby/Hathabu. There was no sign of a Cronk Moar style baldric system either so how this sort of scabbard was suspended remains a mystery. Possibly a baldric with a sliding loop.
For examples of Viking era scabbards with slits in the leather (indicating a sub-leather slider/bridge), take a look at Esther Cameron's book on the surviving scabbard leathers from Dublin; "Scabbards and Sheaths from Viking and Medieval Dublin".
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"If a Greek can do it, two Englishman certainly can !"
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Ken Speed
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Posted: Sun 18 Dec, 2011 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Colt suggested that,"It may not be particularly historical, but the thought occurs to me that if you found an appropriately sized dresser drawer handle, that might work fine."
Well, MAYBE Colt, most cabinet and furniture decorative hardware is neither brass, bronze or iron but what is called 'white metal" or "pot metal" and is not very strong at all. I suppose you could do as you suggested as long as you were sure the metal was actually brass, bronze or iron.
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Ken Speed
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Posted: Sun 18 Dec, 2011 10:27 am Post subject: |
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I have a corollary question. What materials are used to bind the bridge to the scabbard and does one adhere the bridge to the scabbard?
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Nick Hallacher
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Posted: Sun 18 Dec, 2011 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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I actually found a brass cabinet handle that I used. Just a simple one, relatively straight and flat. That I mounted on it with strips of leather to hold it in place.
Its not perfect, but it will allow me to wear and use the sword until I manage to actually get around to making a new scabbard.
Its a tinker viking, so I just cut and ground down the metal loops from the scabbard and then mounted the bridge directly on the stock scabbard. It will pass until I get along to making a new one.
Will post pictures as soon as the glue dries.
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Andrew W
Location: Florida, USA Joined: 14 Oct 2010
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Posted: Fri 23 Dec, 2011 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Matthew Bunker wrote: | For examples of Viking era scabbards with slits in the leather (indicating a sub-leather slider/bridge), take a look at Esther Cameron's book on the surviving scabbard leathers from Dublin; "Scabbards and Sheaths from Viking and Medieval Dublin". |
You see the same thing with the Viking-period leather scabbard casings recovered from Coppergate, York, in another book authored by Cameron, Sheaths and scabbards in England AD400-1100. The strap bridges were under the leather (they left indentations in the scabbard casings showing their shapes, which were simple and undecorated). The leather was slit on each side of the bridge to allow a strap to go beneath it.
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James Barker
Location: Ashburn VA Joined: 20 Apr 2005
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Posted: Sat 24 Dec, 2011 7:07 am Post subject: |
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Matthew if it is not too much trouble could you post them; I would love to add it to my image collection.
Matthew Bunker wrote: | Another viking scabbard which shows no sign of using a slide/bridge is the 'green and red diamond' scabbard found at Hedeby/Hathabu. |
Got images of that too?
James Barker
Historic Life http://www.historiclife.com/index.html
Archer in La Belle Compagnie http://www.labelle.org/
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