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Benjamin Floyd II





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PostPosted: Sun 17 Jul, 2011 6:20 am    Post subject: Ballock dagger fighting         Reply with quote

As I've seen a lot of folks around here with them Big Grin , here's 58 pages (116 actions at 2 per page) of people fighting with them:

http://digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/dms...=PHYS_0076
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Ushio Kawana




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PostPosted: Sun 17 Jul, 2011 9:25 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Happy

Thanks Benjamin, I like armoured combat.

Page 5 to 16 is armoured combat.

I have some questions. Question
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What is this ring? Question (for hunging weapons?)


What do they doing? Question


thanks

I'm interested in Medieval Arms and Armor.
But... My English is very poor ><;
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Jeffrey Faulk




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PostPosted: Sun 17 Jul, 2011 10:24 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

My uneducated guesses at your questions:

First picture-- yes, probably a hanger for a mace, axe, or some back-up weapon. About the only other reason I can think of for it being there is to hang up the armour after use, and upside-down just doesn't sound right as it'd put a lot of stress on the straps of the armour. Might also be for tying the two combatants together so they can't just keep their distance; however, I haven't heard about anything like this being done in medieval duels. So, I think the hanging a second weapon in that ring works.

Second picture... okay, that's a mystery. "Look, guys! I'm gonna do a magic trick!"? Some exotic medieval version of "slap hands"? "Hold on, you got a bug on there..."? That one really is kind of out there for a fight book, isn't it?

A clue may be provided by the fact that the person holding the bag/pouch and the... table, something, seems to be less armoured than the guy holding the mallet. So, this may be a case of a guy putting his seal to a document in dramatic manner?
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Sam Gordon Campbell




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PostPosted: Sun 17 Jul, 2011 7:56 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The first picture I'd agree with Jeffrey.
And maybe in the second he's loading some sort of firearm? Confused

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Richard Eskite




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PostPosted: Mon 18 Jul, 2011 7:01 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sam Gordon Campbell wrote:
And maybe in the second he's loading some sort of firearm? Confused


Almost looks like swaging bullets, but they most likely cast them. The guy with the hammer seems to have folded shooting sticks of some sort?
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PostPosted: Mon 18 Jul, 2011 11:23 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The second picture might make a good candidate for a "Caption This" kind of thing.
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Craig Peters




PostPosted: Tue 19 Jul, 2011 12:09 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I don't know for certain, but the figure on the left in the second picture reminds me of a seller of Papal indulgences.
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Gottfried P. Doerler




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PostPosted: Tue 19 Jul, 2011 12:11 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

i`m always shocked, how rude they were in the 19th cent. to the old originals.
whilst nowadays you`d probably touch them with gloves, they back then did not shy away from pressing stamp markings into the paper Eek!
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Ushio Kawana




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PostPosted: Tue 19 Jul, 2011 9:37 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Happy

It looks like firearm to me... Happy
Page 5 to 16 are armoured combat. And these illustrated techniques are famous... Big Grin




But this(it looks like firearm ) is technique??? Question





thanks

I'm interested in Medieval Arms and Armor.
But... My English is very poor ><;
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