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Andres Trujillo




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PostPosted: Thu 12 May, 2011 4:08 pm    Post subject: Burgundian Kettle Helmet?         Reply with quote

Hello,

I'm looking for the correct expression for a helmet I only know as "Burgundian Kettle Helmet" like the right one on this picture:
Burgundian Kettle Helm?
It can also be seen in the movie of the Metropolitan museeum of Art (How to Mount a Horse in Armor and Other Chivalric Problems).

I neither have a clue what the correct name for this type of helm is, nor if this is really a Burgundian/French style Helmet.
I'm even unsure when this type of helm was worn and by who.

I'd really appreciate if anybody here could give me a hand in identifiying that specific helm?

With best regards,
Andrés
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Scott Woodruff





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PostPosted: Thu 12 May, 2011 5:52 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Off the top of my head, I would say late 15th century. I think this style is indeed a Burgundian style. You could just call it a "kettle hat with spiral fluting" if you don't want to say "Burgundian kettle hat." The latter term is not that great, for Burgundians certainly wore kettle hats without the fluting, and I would hazard a guess that such fluting was by no means confined to Burgundy.
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Todd Hawkins




PostPosted: Thu 12 May, 2011 10:19 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It is called a "Burgundian War Hat" dating from c. 1475.
Please see link below for the Met Museum's description.
To the best of my knowledge; the "spirally" flutted kettle hat was only worn in Burgundy, starting in the second half of the 15th Century. Hope this helps.


http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/04.3.228
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Andres Trujillo




Location: Germany
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PostPosted: Thu 12 May, 2011 11:34 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks for the answers.

Does anybody knows if the type of helmets without the fluting was a more "common" type of kettle helmet?
I have not seen many pictures (or none at all) for mid to late 15th century kettle helmets.

It reminds me of the spanish cabacete type helm (also called war hat) from the same period. Is there any connection, like one evolved from the other or the source is a common one (Italian?)?

With best regards,
Andrés


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M van Dongen




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PostPosted: Fri 13 May, 2011 6:55 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

that spanish one is still fairly universal IMHO, if you want typical spanish you can find versions with a much more pronounced almond shape with deeper ( more vertical ) side brims.
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