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Cornelis Tromp




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PostPosted: Sun 16 Jan, 2011 1:16 am    Post subject: ballock type of dagger with gryphon head terminals         Reply with quote

Hi,

does somebody know a similar type of dagger with gryphon terminals in literature or (museum) collections.

thanks and regards,



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S. Christiansen




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PostPosted: Sun 16 Jan, 2011 4:58 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Damn, I usually shrug a bit at ballock daggers but this is just something I've never seen before and it looks amazing!
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Sonni
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Blaz Berlec




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PostPosted: Sun 16 Jan, 2011 5:21 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Wow, is this an original? I've never seen anything like it. Ballock daggers with elongated terminals aren't very common, and most I've seen have no decoration on these terminals. The only other one I can remember is from Rothenburg ob der Tauber, Reichsstadtmuseum, and even these aren't nearly as elaborate:

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PostPosted: Sun 16 Jan, 2011 6:46 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Blaz Berlec wrote:
Wow, is this an original? I've never seen anything like it. Ballock daggers with elongated terminals aren't very common, and most I've seen have no decoration on these terminals. The only other one I can remember is from Rothenburg ob der Tauber, Reichsstadtmuseum, and even these aren't nearly as elaborate:



I was excited when someone posted this dagger in another thread a couple of months ago. The hilt is similar (with the scrolling "guard" and "langet" extending up the grip), though a little more fancy, than this Flemish example, which I've had replicated:



These daggers all have long quillons/terminals, and the fourth one down may have them shaped into beast's heads (it's hard to tell with the angle of the pic):



Also, the top dagger in this pic have have them shaped into something:


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S. Christiansen




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PostPosted: Sun 16 Jan, 2011 9:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I admit some of those are quite nice, but I have yet to see any with as detailed terminals as the OP. I wonder where it's from.
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Sonni
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