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Cornelis Tromp
Location: Holland Joined: 03 Jan 2010
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 Posted: Sun 16 Jan, 2011 1:16 am Post subject: ballock type of dagger with gryphon head terminals |
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Hi,
does somebody know a similar type of dagger with gryphon terminals in literature or (museum) collections.
thanks and regards,
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S. Christiansen
Location: South Jutland, Denmark Joined: 25 Aug 2007
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Damn, I usually shrug a bit at ballock daggers but this is just something I've never seen before and it looks amazing!
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Sonni
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Blaz Berlec
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Wow, is this an original? I've never seen anything like it. Ballock daggers with elongated terminals aren't very common, and most I've seen have no decoration on these terminals. The only other one I can remember is from Rothenburg ob der Tauber, Reichsstadtmuseum, and even these aren't nearly as elaborate:
Photos by Jan Winkler and Carl Koppeschaar, Arms and Armour Forum Image Library
Kidney dagger
Wooden grip with gilt and engraved brass mounts. Slightly domed pommel plate decorated with gothic style rosette and engraved with an inscription: DEXTERA DOMINI FECIT VIRTUTEM (The right hand of god makes wonder).
North Italy (Venetia?) about 1450
Extant 15th Century German Gothic Armour
Extant 15th century Milanese armour
Arming doublet of the 15th century
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Chad Arnow
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| Posted: Sun 16 Jan, 2011 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| Blaz Berlec wrote: | Wow, is this an original? I've never seen anything like it. Ballock daggers with elongated terminals aren't very common, and most I've seen have no decoration on these terminals. The only other one I can remember is from Rothenburg ob der Tauber, Reichsstadtmuseum, and even these aren't nearly as elaborate:
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I was excited when someone posted this dagger in another thread a couple of months ago. The hilt is similar (with the scrolling "guard" and "langet" extending up the grip), though a little more fancy, than this Flemish example, which I've had replicated:
These daggers all have long quillons/terminals, and the fourth one down may have them shaped into beast's heads (it's hard to tell with the angle of the pic):
Also, the top dagger in this pic have have them shaped into something:
ChadA
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S. Christiansen
Location: South Jutland, Denmark Joined: 25 Aug 2007
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| Posted: Sun 16 Jan, 2011 9:33 am Post subject: |
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I admit some of those are quite nice, but I have yet to see any with as detailed terminals as the OP. I wonder where it's from.
Regards,
Sonni
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