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Ushio Kawana




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PostPosted: Mon 22 Nov, 2010 2:48 pm    Post subject: Please teach me about the Battle of Guinegate (1513)         Reply with quote

Hi Happy

I want to know about the Battle of Guinegate.
The Battle of Guinegate is called a Battle of the Spurs. There are very few pages about the Battle of Guinegate... Sad
In many pages, the process of the fight is not written only with the origin of the name... Sad Sad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_of_the_Italian_Wars
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The Battle of Guinegate or Battle of the Spurs took place on August 16, 1513. As part of the Holy League under the on-going Italian Wars, English and Imperial troops under Henry VIII and Maximilian I surprised and routed a body of French cavalry under Jacques de La Palice.

The English army was provided by Cardinal Thomas Wolsey and combined several different types of martial forces, and included cavalry, artillery, infantry and longbows using hardened steel arrows designed to penetrate armour more effectively. The French forces were mostly companies of gendarmes and pikemen, with some other mixed forces as well.

Called the "Battle of the Spurs" because of the haste of the French horse to leave the battlefield, it took place at Guinegate (now Enguinegatte, near St Omer in the Pas de Calais, France).

A French cavalry force, which had come to succour the besieged town of Therouanne, suddenly found itself opposite the Anglo-Imperial army, the size and position of which it had misjudged. Repelled by the latter’s artillery, the French turned and fled, with English and Burgundian cavalry in hot pursuit.

The town of Therouanne capitulated soon after the battle, and later in the campaign of 1513, Henry VIII of England captured and garrisoned Tournai.

The armor of gendarme is very thick.
Did these arrows penetrate a armor of gendarme? (Or did they aim horses?) Question
It is famous that many gendarmes were killed at Battle of Pavia. (They were surrounded and were not able to charge.)

I cann't find a detailed page of "Battle of Guinegate".
I want to know the details of the battle.
Will you teach it? Question

thanks Happy

I'm interested in Medieval Arms and Armor.
But... My English is very poor ><;
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Jaroslav Kravcak




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PostPosted: Fri 02 Sep, 2011 7:30 am    Post subject: Re: Please teach me about the Battle of Guinegate (1513)         Reply with quote

Ushio Kawana wrote:
Hi Happy

I want to know about the Battle of Guinegate.
The Battle of Guinegate is called a Battle of the Spurs. There are very few pages about the Battle of Guinegate... Sad
In many pages, the process of the fight is not written only with the origin of the name... Sad Sad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_of_the_Italian_Wars
Quote:
The Battle of Guinegate or Battle of the Spurs took place on August 16, 1513. As part of the Holy League under the on-going Italian Wars, English and Imperial troops under Henry VIII and Maximilian I surprised and routed a body of French cavalry under Jacques de La Palice.

The English army was provided by Cardinal Thomas Wolsey and combined several different types of martial forces, and included cavalry, artillery, infantry and longbows using hardened steel arrows designed to penetrate armour more effectively. The French forces were mostly companies of gendarmes and pikemen, with some other mixed forces as well.

Called the "Battle of the Spurs" because of the haste of the French horse to leave the battlefield, it took place at Guinegate (now Enguinegatte, near St Omer in the Pas de Calais, France).

A French cavalry force, which had come to succour the besieged town of Therouanne, suddenly found itself opposite the Anglo-Imperial army, the size and position of which it had misjudged. Repelled by the latter’s artillery, the French turned and fled, with English and Burgundian cavalry in hot pursuit.

The town of Therouanne capitulated soon after the battle, and later in the campaign of 1513, Henry VIII of England captured and garrisoned Tournai.

The armor of gendarme is very thick.
Did these arrows penetrate a armor of gendarme? (Or did they aim horses?) Question
It is famous that many gendarmes were killed at Battle of Pavia. (They were surrounded and were not able to charge.)

I cann't find a detailed page of "Battle of Guinegate".
I want to know the details of the battle.
Will you teach it? Question

thanks Happy


Its really hard to find any detailed information about this battle. But this seems to be mostly because it wasnt so much of a battle. If my understanding of these events is right then french tryed to deliver supplies to besieged Therouanne but were greeted with artillery and longbowmen prepared against them so they decided to retreat. Imperial and english cavalry followed and changed it to rout. There were almost no dead on the french side just about 100 prisoners many of them of note.

Other interpretation Ive seen was they retreated to lure enemy out of his defences.

Maybe someone correct any errors in this description. Happy It seems arrows didnt even have a chance to show what they can do against french armour as they retreated without any attempt to attack or break into the city.
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Ushio Kawana




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PostPosted: Fri 16 Sep, 2011 4:42 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

thanks ! Happy

Quote:
Its really hard to find any detailed information about this battle.

I think so too... Sad

I'm interested in Medieval Arms and Armor.
But... My English is very poor ><;
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Jeroen Averhals




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PostPosted: Fri 16 Sep, 2011 9:18 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ushio and Jaroslav,

I wrote about the battle of Guinegate in this topic:
http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t...=guinegate

enjoy

Jeroen Averhals

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Ushio Kawana




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PostPosted: Sat 17 Sep, 2011 1:13 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Happy

Thanks! Exclamation Happy ... But...... Question Happy

There are two Battles by the same name in "Battle of Guinegate".

Battle of Guinegate (1479)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Guinegate_(1479)

Battle of Guinegate (1513) (also colled "Battle of the Spurs")
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Guinegate_(1513)#Guinegate

I want to know about "Battle of Guinegate (1513)"...

thanks^^

I'm interested in Medieval Arms and Armor.
But... My English is very poor ><;
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Lafayette C Curtis




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PostPosted: Tue 20 Sep, 2011 7:56 am    Post subject: Re: Please teach me about the Battle of Guinegate (1513)         Reply with quote

Jaroslav Kravcak wrote:
Maybe someone correct any errors in this description. Happy It seems arrows didnt even have a chance to show what they can do against french armour as they retreated without any attempt to attack or break into the city.


Nope. You got it right for the most part. This "battle" appears to have been scarcely a battle at all, and the only reason why it's called a "battle" is some skilful propaganda by the English. Otherwise it would have gone down in history as one of those days when a battle nearly happened but didn't.
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