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Tomasz Nowak




Location: Regensburg, Germany
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PostPosted: Tue 06 Apr, 2010 1:06 pm    Post subject: sword grips with "crossed" raisers         Reply with quote

Hi guys,

I hope, you can help me.

I´ve got an sword by Pavel Moc, which I´m using for re-enactment and fencing since a few years now - and since the old grip has suffered, I want to replace it with a new, and more historical correct one.

When browsing through the images of long sword, I found one of a tomb slab from a local museum showing a sword with risers on the grip, that form an St.Andrew´s Cross. Since I like the design, I´d like to replicate this for my sword.

Just one thing keeps me from doing it: "my" time-period is 1460-1475 (Bavaria/ South German), and all grips fashioned like this seem to be younger, the tomb here being from 1495 -20 years in fashion of that time is quite a lot.

Now the question: did this style of fashioning a sword grip develope in the 1480ies, or do you know earlier examples, maybe even from the 1460ies? What do you think?

Here are some examples, including the second famous "Munic" sword. Btw, the sword from the abive mentioned tomb is the second from the left.



Thanks a lot,
Tomasz

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Stephane Rabier




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PostPosted: Wed 07 Apr, 2010 7:28 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi,
the right character on the Paumgartner altar by Dürer carries such a sword but again, it's dated 1502 Sad
http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/d/durer/1/03/3paumg.html
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Tomasz Nowak




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PostPosted: Wed 07 Apr, 2010 11:38 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Stephane,

yeah, I know the Baumberger altar - after 1490 you can find quite a lot of swords with these grip furnishings.Unfortunately, before 1480 they´re quite rare...

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Tomasz Nowak




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PostPosted: Thu 08 Apr, 2010 10:49 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

no one?
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PostPosted: Thu 08 Apr, 2010 1:28 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Tomasz Nowak wrote:
no one?


earliest one I've seen myself is about 1500.
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