Info Favorites Register Log in
myArmoury.com Discussion Forums

Forum index Memberlist Usergroups Spotlight Topics Search
Forum Index > Historical Arms Talk > Help identifying a random bit of history Reply to topic
This is a standard topic  

Is this authentic?
Nope, sorry.
33%
 33%  [ 2 ]
Yes!
66%
 66%  [ 4 ]
Total Votes : 6

Author Message
Nathan Gilleland





Joined: 25 Apr 2008

Posts: 199

PostPosted: Tue 23 Mar, 2010 4:31 pm    Post subject: Help identifying a random bit of history         Reply with quote

I found this half buried in my backyard when I was a wee little lad and played with it all the time (it was shaped like a helmet! Laughing Out Loud ) Anyway, after the years went by, I forgot about it. Soon after reading this thread: http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=19190 , I found my metal piece again and the resemblance struck me as too similar.

My question to you good people is this: Could this be a broken pommel from a dueling sword?

It seems to be made of bronze (by my lack of knowledge). It is heavy for its size and being hollow. On the visor of the knights helm are the letters K P. When viewed from the top, the eagle's back seems to form a distinctive cross shape, and there appear to be slight hammer marks on the eagle back (where the pommel was peened?)

Enough of my pondering, let there be pictures!



 Attachment: 15.4 KB
Photo 42.jpg
A front view

 Attachment: 18.53 KB
Photo 43.jpg
A side view

 Attachment: 11.81 KB
Photo 44.jpg
A shot of the "cross" and hammer marks

Seek Honor before Wealth,
Truth before Honor,
God Before all
View user's profile Send private message
Luka Borscak




Location: Croatia
Joined: 11 Jun 2007
Likes: 7 pages

Posts: 2,229

PostPosted: Tue 23 Mar, 2010 4:44 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I have nothing smart to say, but I feel it might be a dueling sword pommel. Happy
View user's profile Send private message
Adam D. Kent-Isaac




Location: Indiana
Joined: 21 Apr 2009
Reading list: 2 books

Spotlight topics: 1
Posts: 297

PostPosted: Tue 23 Mar, 2010 5:25 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

K.P. almost certainly stands for Knights of Pythias. It is probably a ceremonial sword from that fraternal organization, used in a ritual.
Pastime With Good Company
View user's profile Send private message
Daniel Sullivan




Location: California
Joined: 02 Apr 2004
Likes: 9 pages

Posts: 204

PostPosted: Tue 23 Mar, 2010 5:27 pm    Post subject: Help in identi.....         Reply with quote

Nathan,

Can't say for certain as I don't know your locale.. Looks to me like the pommel from a small sword, quite possibly a lodge sword of some sort . Also the KP could be Knights of Pythias a lodge or benevolent organization that existed a maybe 90-100 years ago

Cheers,
Dan
View user's profile Send private message
Christopher Gregg




Location: Louisville, KY
Joined: 14 Nov 2007
Reading list: 2 books

Posts: 661

PostPosted: Tue 23 Mar, 2010 6:11 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yep, Knights of Pythias sword pommel - seen a few of these on EvilBay! Happy
Christopher Gregg

'S Rioghal Mo Dhream!
View user's profile Send private message
A. Spanjer




Location: USA
Joined: 26 Apr 2009

Posts: 242

PostPosted: Tue 23 Mar, 2010 6:28 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

My guess would be a late 19th century ceremonial sword.
Na sir 's na seachain an cath.
View user's profile Send private message
Adam D. Kent-Isaac




Location: Indiana
Joined: 21 Apr 2009
Reading list: 2 books

Spotlight topics: 1
Posts: 297

PostPosted: Tue 23 Mar, 2010 6:48 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Knights of Pythias still exists. Fraternal orders have declined in their membership post-WWII, but they're still around.
Pastime With Good Company
View user's profile Send private message
A. Spanjer




Location: USA
Joined: 26 Apr 2009

Posts: 242

PostPosted: Wed 24 Mar, 2010 4:41 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

After thinking about it a bit, my vote is that it's from a freemason sword. I think (I'm not sure) that one of the mason swords I've handled had a Knight's head pommel.

Also, a google image search for freemason sword pommel shows at least one knights's head.[/i]

Na sir 's na seachain an cath.
View user's profile Send private message
Adam D. Kent-Isaac




Location: Indiana
Joined: 21 Apr 2009
Reading list: 2 books

Spotlight topics: 1
Posts: 297

PostPosted: Wed 24 Mar, 2010 8:59 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It's a Knights of Pythias sword, not Masonic. I don't know about the rituals of the Knights of Pythias but I guess they must have something similar to the Masonic Tyler. Google "Knights of Pythias sword," there are many pictures of examples similar to this one.
Pastime With Good Company
View user's profile Send private message


Display posts from previous:   
Forum Index > Historical Arms Talk > Help identifying a random bit of history
Page 1 of 1 Reply to topic
All times are GMT - 8 Hours

View previous topic :: View next topic
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum






All contents © Copyright 2003-2018 myArmoury.com — All rights reserved
Discussion forums powered by phpBB © The phpBB Group
Switch to the Basic Low-bandwidth Version of the forum