Info Favorites Register Log in
myArmoury.com Discussion Forums

Forum index Memberlist Usergroups Spotlight Topics Search
Forum Index > Historical Arms Talk > 1821/1822 Cavalry saber identification Reply to topic
This is a standard topic  
Author Message
Olivier L-Beaulieu




Location: Québec, Canada
Joined: 27 Jan 2007

Posts: 37

PostPosted: Mon 08 Mar, 2010 6:03 pm    Post subject: 1821/1822 Cavalry saber identification         Reply with quote

I would want to have some informations about my new sword. I know that it is a 1821/1822 pattern cavalry trooper's sword. On the blade and the guard, it has the maker's name: WL&H Sargant. Who is this maker and when was he in business? The seller told me that it could date from late 1830. I would want to have information about the date of the maufacture and who is this maker.

Any information?

http://entertainment.webshots.com/album/576958288CREKju
View user's profile Send private message
Thom R.




Location: Tucson
Joined: 26 Jul 2007
Reading list: 30 books

Posts: 630

PostPosted: Mon 08 Mar, 2010 8:13 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

In Bezdek William Lucas and Henry Sargent are listed as being in business in London in 1838-57 on 2 Coleman St and in Birmingham at 74 and 75 Edmund Street 1835-1851. They appear to have changed their trade name a few times. Sargant & Son (1835-37), W.L. & H Sargant (1838-39), Sargant Bros (1840-1851)

There is an interesting note in Bezdek that states that in 1839 the consulate in London purchased 600 brass hilted British model 1821 cavalry sabers from W.L. & H. Sargant and sent them to the US Ordnance Department

that looks like a nice sword!
View user's profile Send private message
Olivier L-Beaulieu




Location: Québec, Canada
Joined: 27 Jan 2007

Posts: 37

PostPosted: Wed 10 Mar, 2010 1:14 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks for the information. It is interesting to know that my sword dates from 1838 or 1839. Unfortunately, I don't know the history of my sword, so I don't know for sure if this is an import.
View user's profile Send private message
Olivier L-Beaulieu




Location: Québec, Canada
Joined: 27 Jan 2007

Posts: 37

PostPosted: Wed 10 Mar, 2010 6:00 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I have another question:

On the blade, I see a black line. Could it be a "fold" from the forge of the blade?

http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2269324920102058556yQoNpo

Also, do we know how shiny the sword were? This sword is near mirror polish. I also have a 1850 infantry officer sword that it is near mirror polish. For the last sword, I think it could be the original finish, but I cannot prove that.

Anybody has information about the polishing of the blades in the 19th century?
View user's profile Send private message
Jeffrey Mallia





Joined: 12 Mar 2010

Posts: 11

PostPosted: Fri 12 Mar, 2010 9:50 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi there whilst I myself do not know anything per se of your sword, I have started a similar topic on this forum as I also have a similar sword which I cannot identify. If it is at all possible for you can you please tell me whether your sword is disassemblable or not. Also if it is, does it have a rat tail or a full tang? I am asking these questions in order to fathom out whether swords of this period did have the same properties of the one I have or not and thus figure out if mine is either an original or else a copy. Thanks and its a really nice sword you got there.
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Olivier L-Beaulieu




Location: Québec, Canada
Joined: 27 Jan 2007

Posts: 37

PostPosted: Fri 12 Mar, 2010 2:52 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

My sword is not disassemblable. It is riveted. All the 19th century sword I have heard about are riveted at the pommel. I only have one evidence of "screwed" pommel in the 15th century. But, this is another story...
View user's profile Send private message
Jeffrey Mallia





Joined: 12 Mar 2010

Posts: 11

PostPosted: Fri 12 Mar, 2010 11:42 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thank you. This sheds some light on my sword version too.
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail


Display posts from previous:   
Forum Index > Historical Arms Talk > 1821/1822 Cavalry saber identification
Page 1 of 1 Reply to topic
All times are GMT - 8 Hours

View previous topic :: View next topic
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum






All contents © Copyright 2003-2018 myArmoury.com — All rights reserved
Discussion forums powered by phpBB © The phpBB Group
Switch to the Basic Low-bandwidth Version of the forum