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Matthew G.M. Korenkiewicz




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PostPosted: Mon 18 Jan, 2010 2:03 pm    Post subject: Polish Arms & Armour         Reply with quote

So you say you're interested in arms and armour from Poland, do you ?
Well, take a good long look ... B-)

http://polisharms.com/Knowledge/knowledgebase.html
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Gabriele Becattini





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PostPosted: Tue 19 Jan, 2010 12:14 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Matthew,

just bought this one:" A. Nadolski, Polish Arms. Side-Arms ", but looks like if i have to prepare my bank account to lower!
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Matthew G.M. Korenkiewicz




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PostPosted: Tue 19 Jan, 2010 1:06 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Gabriele Becattini wrote:
Hi Matthew,

just bought this one:" A. Nadolski, Polish Arms. Side-Arms ", but looks like if i have to prepare my bank account to lower!


Hi Gabriele,

... ALOT of interesting links to pictures there ! and I'm definitely eying some of those books as well.
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Jason Elrod




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PostPosted: Tue 19 Jan, 2010 4:07 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Looks like a great resource. Thanks for posting the link. I might pick up a book or two from them.
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Matthew G.M. Korenkiewicz




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PostPosted: Wed 20 Jan, 2010 8:08 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jason Elrod wrote:
Looks like a great resource. Thanks for posting the link. I might pick up a book or two from them.


Hi Jason, I must say that I think the saber and its many relatives are under-represented
here at myArmoury. And I should note that Sa'ar Nudel, a fellow forumite, messaged me
the url for this website.

Maybe the gentlemanly head muckitty-mucks here at myArmoury might someday add this
site to their links page. I just hope that the gent running polisharms.com has the wherewithall
to keep the updates coming at a reasonable pace. I've run into sites here and there before which
die a slow and painless death from lack of consistant material and consequently consistant
interest.
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Matthew G.M. Korenkiewicz




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PostPosted: Tue 23 Feb, 2010 7:45 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Just an FYI, I ordered a book from PolishArms and everything went smooth
as silk. The book arrived in great shape -- all the way from Poland, obviously --
and in a timely fashion.
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Sa'ar Nudel




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PostPosted: Tue 23 Feb, 2010 3:22 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I just wanted to add a little support. The owner of PolishArms is an authority in that subject; he was the head speaker in Baltimore Antique Arms Fair convention 2 or 3 years ago.
I bought several books from him during the last couple of years, always to my full content.

Curator of Beit Ussishkin, regional nature & history museum, Upper Galilee.
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Gerald Fa.





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PostPosted: Tue 23 Feb, 2010 4:41 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sa'ar Nudel wrote:
I just wanted to add a little support. The owner of PolishArms is an authority in that subject; he was the head speaker in Baltimore Antique Arms Fair convention 2 or 3 years ago.
I bought several books from him during the last couple of years, always to my full content.


Did the Polish have Sallets as well???? Just wondering.
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Sa'ar Nudel




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PostPosted: Tue 23 Feb, 2010 11:33 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

A quick look in the wonderful book Stara Bron (bought from PolishArms Cool ) shows they did have sallets, but it is stated they are western import, made in Italy. Since the western borders of Poland were "fluid" over the years you can expect them to have all sorts of German style arms & armour.
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Lukasz Papaj




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PostPosted: Wed 24 Feb, 2010 5:00 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Eastern style become dominant in Rzeczpospolita (Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth) in latter part of XVI century. Till then Polish arms and armour are very much the same as Northern German ones.
During the Grunwald battle (1410) Polish and Lithuanian forces used special markings (badges made of straw) to distinguish themselves from "Teutonic" forces, as arms and many heraldic devices were the same on both sides.
There are some peculiarities, like absence from evidence of type XVIII blades for example (only 9 found of all subtypes, while type XVIa has over 130 pieces evidenced*), but that is thought to be due massive use of heavy cavalry during whole medieval period (as opposed to the West)

Its good to see knowledge from our scholars is finally available for general public!

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* according to "Miecze Środkowoeuropejskie Z X-Xv w." Marian Głosek, Warsaw, 1984, data for Area of Former Eastern Germany, Poland, Hungary and former Czechoslowakia
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Michal Plezia
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PostPosted: Wed 24 Feb, 2010 5:57 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I want to add that battle of Grunwald is often called the battle of Tannenberg in English publications ( for example in Osprey).
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it that is the only truth.
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Luka Borscak




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PostPosted: Wed 24 Feb, 2010 6:38 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Lukasz Papaj wrote:
Eastern style become dominant in Rzeczpospolita (Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth) in latter part of XVI century. Till then Polish arms and armour are very much the same as Northern German ones.
During the Grunwald battle (1410) Polish and Lithuanian forces used special markings (badges made of straw) to distinguish themselves from "Teutonic" forces, as arms and many heraldic devices were the same on both sides.
There are some peculiarities, like absence from evidence of type XVIII blades for example (only 9 found of all subtypes, while type XVIa has over 130 pieces evidenced*), but that is thought to be due massive use of heavy cavalry during whole medieval period (as opposed to the West)

Its good to see knowledge from our scholars is finally available for general public!

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* according to "Miecze Środkowoeuropejskie Z X-Xv w." Marian Głosek, Warsaw, 1984, data for Area of Former Eastern Germany, Poland, Hungary and former Czechoslowakia


Could you tell which sword types were popular from 1380's to Grunwald? You mentioned XVIa, any else? Were XIIa and XIIIa still in use since they are good for heavy cavalry work? What about XVII and XVa popular during that time?
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Lukasz Papaj




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PostPosted: Wed 24 Feb, 2010 7:55 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

In aforementioned book Author gives data as follows: (Country borders for year 1984)

type XII - 56 known specimens (9 Czechoslowakia, 20 EastGermany, 17 Poland, 10 Hungary)
type XIII - 11 known specimens ( 1 C-S, 3 E-G, 6 Pl, 1Hu)
type XIIIa- 71 known specimens (10 C-S, 17 E-G, 30 Pl, 14 Hu)
type XIV - 2 known specimens ( 2 C-S, 0 E-G, 0 Pl, 0Hu)
type XV - 4 known specimens ( 0 C-S, 2 E-G, 1 Pl, 1Hu)
type XVa- 15 known specimens ( 8 C-S, 2 E-G, 4 Pl, 1Hu)
type XVI 3 known specimens ( 2 C-S, 1 E-G, 0 Pl, 0Hu)
type XVIa-131 known specimens (28 C-S,19 E-G, 63 Pl, 21Hu)
type XVII - 45 known specimens ( 9 C-S, 3 E-G, 25 Pl, 6Hu)
type XVIIIa - 1 known example (C-S)
type XVIIIb- 6 known specimens (1 C-S, 3 E-G, 2 Pl, 0Hu)
type XVIIIc- 1 known example (E-G)
type XVIIIe- 1 known example (E-G)
type XX - 16 known specimens ( 6 C-S, 2 E-G, 8 Pl, 0Hu)

Notes: Author counts only specimens that are in museum store (count was made when we were still behind iron curtain, no private collections). Type XIIa is not listed - possibly due author using outdated source for typology, one could guess them counted among XIIIa's, judging from included photos. Type XVII judged to be strictly unfullered, so swords akin to Landgraf or Sempach would be put into XVIa's.

As far as I know the book is one of two attempts behind Iron Curtain to use Oakeshott's typology (second one is earlier work by M. Głosek and A.Nadolski "Miecze średniowieczne z ziem polskich" [Medieval swords from Polish land]) Other books deal only in hilt typology (actually, same goes for sabres)
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