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Nathan Quarantillo




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PostPosted: Sun 27 Dec, 2009 4:50 pm    Post subject: Landsknecht Helmets         Reply with quote

Hello all, as i have said before, I am putting together a Landsknecht kit, and as for the helmet, I know that the most common would be a Burgonet, and a sallet for an early one, but i was wondering about this helmet by best armour. the form just seems to fit. you know? I have been looking at Landsknecht stuff for a bit now, and this helm does not look like it would be out of place on a doppelsoldner or seen in the pike block. Can people more educated on this subject commont on weather or not this would be acceptable?


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Eric Hejdström




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PostPosted: Mon 28 Dec, 2009 11:52 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Looks a bit off that one. I would go for a scullcap or something similar, most likely with rondels covering the ears. There was a vaey good thread about it here on the forum a while ago.
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David Gavin




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PostPosted: Tue 29 Dec, 2009 8:05 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hello Nathan-

I have seen a very similar helmet in the armor collection at the Metro Museum of Art in New York City. That example is identified as "Burgundian, c.1470." I have also seen a picture of it, as I recall, in the "Swiss At War" title from the Osprey military history series - displayed with a (perhaps) associated bevor. It seems to me that the brim of the helmet you show is more like a 'prototype' Morion, as the MMoA example has an assemetrically formed brim - front to back - with the wider portion worn over the brow.

I don't know as I might be necessarily "more educated on this subject" - but it is not completely inconceivable to me that an infantryman who might have acquired such a lid became one of the initial Landesknechte troops at some point in the last quarter of the 15th century.

If you should decide to commission this helmet, it would be interesting to keep us posted on its progress.

Best regards, D. Gavin
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Nathan Quarantillo




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PostPosted: Tue 29 Dec, 2009 9:59 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

well, since it looks a bit early for what im going for (1520-1535) ill probably be commissioning a Burgonet instead. I just really liked that helm, so ill probably be commissioning it at a later date, when i want to do something earlier.
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PostPosted: Wed 30 Dec, 2009 3:23 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That kettle hat/morion is cool in a quirky sort of way but I would definitely go with a classic burgonet for an authentic Landsknecht look. I think most of the Landsknechts fought unarmoured but a captain might have had a half-armour in the black-and-white style, including a burgonet, which might be open faced or might have a buffe. My own Landsknecht captain's kit, were I ever to put one together, would ideally look something like this:


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Daniel Sullivan




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PostPosted: Thu 31 Dec, 2009 9:26 am    Post subject: Landsknecht Helmet         Reply with quote

Nathan,

For grace and beauty you couldn't have picked a better helmet. It is one of my favorites. As others have said, it is a bit early.

Depending on where in the landsknecht era you are aiming, a burgonet would fit well. Best Armour has a couple of simple burgonets that would fit or even a few simple sallets that would do.

A posting by Alberto P. on 12/15/09 (Help with helmet) has a very early and interesting version of a burgonet. Basically looks like a development of a skull cap, no comb, open face, but with hinged ear pieces and a plate to protect the neck.neck etc.

Happy to see a young person interested in this hobby. It opens a door to history .....

Cheers,
Dan
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Nathan Quarantillo




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PostPosted: Thu 31 Dec, 2009 11:31 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

hey thanks for the answers all. and yeah, at 15 im a bit younger than most here at myArmoury. I will probably go with one of thier simple burgonets if it counts as a "small" helm by the folks at best armoury. if it constitutes as a "big" helm, itll cost twice as much and be quite well out of my price range. (one of the main problems about being a 15yr old armour geek is that my budget is about 1 step above nil) I was figuring that a kettle helm would most likely be a small helm. I think that then for a helm i might actually use a GDFB cervelliere helm (skullcap) under a starfish hat. (schlappe) I have a picture of such an arrangement. or for now, i might just wear a hat. Even though i will be wearing armour wit hthe kit, ive seen pictures of Landsknechts w/ armour and no helm.
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