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Reece Nelson




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PostPosted: Tue 21 Jul, 2009 7:42 pm    Post subject: milanese Bevor?         Reply with quote

I was watching "The knights Tale" the other night and saw a knight wearing a milanese harness fitted with a bevor. From all the examples that Iv seen of milanese armour, I haven't seen a bevor as part of that style of harness.

Is there any evidence of Italian armour being fitted with a bevor?



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PostPosted: Tue 21 Jul, 2009 8:24 pm    Post subject: Re: milanese Bevor?         Reply with quote

Reece Nelson wrote:
I was watching "The knights Tale" the other night and saw a knight wearing a milanese harness fitted with a bevor. From all the examples that Iv seen of milanese armour, I haven't seen a bevor as part of that style of harness.

Is there any evidence of Italian armour being fitted with a bevor?


It doesn't look like anything I've seen historically.

FYI, Knight's Tale is pretty atrocious in terms of historical accuracy for armour. Happy I saw it once many years ago, so I can't remember specific examples, but I do recall a whole lot of mix and match of various pieces from completely different time periods and cultures.

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PostPosted: Tue 21 Jul, 2009 8:49 pm    Post subject: Re: milanese Bevor?         Reply with quote

Reece Nelson wrote:
I was watching "The knights Tale" the other night and saw a knight wearing a milanese harness fitted with a bevor. From all the examples that Iv seen of milanese armour, I haven't seen a bevor as part of that style of harness.

Is there any evidence of Italian armour being fitted with a bevor?


Only if I have translated well, the word, "bevor":
armature Lombarda-1460 by "armor of Lombard 400" Lionello Boccia, pp. 126



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PostPosted: Wed 22 Jul, 2009 12:53 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

What a coincidence I was watching it too! Happy In fact this is only the second time I've seen it. The first time time was in the cinema when it was first released.

I have to agree with Bill. Historical accuracy was not a consideration in this film. It contains a bizarre mishmash of weapons and armour from the 15th, 16th and even 17th centuries. Furthermore this mixture is so bizarre I wonder if it is actually delibarate, a bit like the filmmakers saying this is not a documentary, it's a bit of fun. Something which is reinforced by the inclusion of modern Rock and Pop music.
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PostPosted: Wed 22 Jul, 2009 3:11 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The 15th century "Milanese" style of armour was not a single, monolithic design aesthetic. It included many variations.

The sallet-and-bevor combination that we usually associate with German armours was sometimes seen being worn with harness of otherwise north Italian style.

There exist plenty of examples of this in contemporary artwork:

http://www.gotscha.nl/joris.jpg
A reproduction of the harness from the painting: http://www.gotscha.nl/nw.schaf13.kl.JPG

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2466/3745115717_5a35043d3e_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2591/3745115777_e1ce22c432_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2659/3745911672_95a7a4d3a0_o.jpg

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PostPosted: Wed 22 Jul, 2009 1:01 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

see he's wearing an open faced barbuta with a bevor under it isn't he? I've seen bevors with sallets and kettle helms but not with a barbuta. kinda looks cool though
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PostPosted: Wed 05 Aug, 2009 12:04 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hisham Gaballa wrote:
It contains a bizarre mishmash of weapons and armour from the 15th, 16th and even 17th centuries.


Heh. The costume mishmash goes even further--notice some distinctly 20th-century features in the main characters' clothes, and compare to the Anglo-Saxon outfits (down to the accurate cut of tunic and winingas!) worn by some of the arena spectators.

I only wish they had taken the anachronism a bit further so that it'd look even more deliberate (and less like research mistakes).
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