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Danny Grigg





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PostPosted: Sun 17 May, 2009 11:18 pm    Post subject: XIIIb.2 Sword in the Cleveland Museum         Reply with quote

Just a quick question about "XIIIb.2 From the Severance Collection, Cleveland Museum, Ohio" on the Spotlight: Oakeshott Type XIII Swords page:

http://www.myArmoury.com/feature_spotxiii.html



Is this sword featured in the book "Arms & Armor: The Cleveland Museum of Art by Stephen N. Fliegel" or on the website of The Cleveland Museum of Art?


http://www.clevelandart.org/


I've had a look through the book and gone through the above website and couldn't find it.

Thanks

Danny
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Dan Dickinson
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PostPosted: Tue 19 May, 2009 1:31 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hey Danny,
It appears on page 110 of Fliegel's book. Unfortunately, it is only a hilt and upper 1/3 or the blade shot.
I hope this helps,
Dan
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Danny Grigg





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PostPosted: Tue 19 May, 2009 5:31 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Dan

Thanks for that. I thought that was the sword.

The book and the Cleveland Museum website have the following information:

http://www.clevelandart.org/explore/work.asp?...;view=more
Title:Sword
Maker:Germany (?), 15th century
Medium: steel; wood and leather grip
Measurements: Overall: 104.2cm, Blade: 87.3cm, quillons: 20.3cm
Date:15th century
Classification: Arms and Armor
Acquisition: Gift of Mr. and Mrs. John L. Severance
Location: Gallery 19 | Armor Court: European Arms & Armor, 14001700
Accession Number:1916.1600


The Spotlight page says:

XIIIb.2 From the Severance Collection, Cleveland Museum, Ohio
Dating circa 1240-80, this example has a blade aproximately 32" long. It's been well kept, perhaps preserved in a church. The grip is a modern replacement and is criticized by Oakeshott as being too fat, lessening the impact of this otherwise nicely proportioned sword. An unusual feature of this sword is the way the shallow fuller ends before hitting the cross-guard.


There's a big difference between the 15th century and circa 1240-80, Which one is more accurate?

Danny
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PostPosted: Tue 19 May, 2009 6:29 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I wish the Cleveland Museum had included the sword's weight in their information.
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PostPosted: Tue 19 May, 2009 7:05 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Danny Grigg wrote:


There's a big difference between the 15th century and circa 1240-80, Which one is more accurate?

Danny

I'd have to go with Oakeshott on this one, judging by the general style.
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Danny Grigg





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PostPosted: Tue 19 May, 2009 8:06 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Roger Hooper wrote:
I wish the Cleveland Museum had included the sword's weight in their information.



The book has the following info on page 170:

Overall, l. 140.2 (1.72 kg); blade, l. 87.3; quillons, w. 20.3

Website says:

Measurements: Overall: 104.2cm, Blade: 87.3cm, quillons: 20.3cm

I'm guessing the overall length in the book is a typo........

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