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Patryk Nieczarowski
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Jan, 2009 1:30 am    Post subject: Roman parade mask from Kalkriese (Germany)         Reply with quote

Hello

In my introduction I wrote about my favorite subject for working - masked helmet ....closer ,face masked helmets.
I wish to show my last work about this subject. It's one of roman parade masks in the type of Kalkriese ...this one is exactly Kalkriese mask .
This mask is made by mixed technique ,because I used modern way (the nose is welded to the face) but also old tachnique ( some parts of the face are raised by hot way and most of the work it's hand repousse work by cold and hot way ). The technology it was the wish the customer.Maybe soon I'll make this mask by raising way similar to this Big Grin :
http://photofile.name/users/nieczar/3575763/

In this moment it's my first roman parade mask ...but I hope not the last one Happy

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Jan, 2009 1:32 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

....and here's the pic. of the oryginal


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PostPosted: Thu 15 Jan, 2009 3:04 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Now that is an amazing replication of an original!

I congratulate you on completion of this beautiful (and rarely done) work of armor!

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PostPosted: Fri 16 Jan, 2009 12:42 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thank You very much Happy
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PostPosted: Fri 16 Jan, 2009 4:12 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

A very good job!
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PostPosted: Fri 16 Jan, 2009 4:46 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That's a great piece of work! You captured the expresion of the original exactly. Drawing a face on paper accurately is a challenge in itself, but raising it in metal in 3D that's a whole new level of difficulty. That takes both a very keen eye for detail, and a great level of craftmanship!
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PostPosted: Fri 16 Jan, 2009 4:51 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Very nicely done Patryk! That is some truly awesome work. How long diit take to create the mask?

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PostPosted: Fri 16 Jan, 2009 6:45 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thank You very much everyone Happy

In fact real artist was the craftsman who made oryginal Kalkriese mask ...I made just the copy of this ...I'm not creator but re-creator only Sad

this mask it's about 10 days of the wrok in normal work-time at day (about 8 hours...maybe sometims a bit more) ...but it's welded version -
faster for making

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PostPosted: Fri 16 Jan, 2009 11:40 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Patryk Nieczarowski wrote:
Thank You very much everyone Happy

In fact real artist was the craftsman who made oryginal Kalkriese mask ...I made just the copy of this ...I'm not creator but re-creator only Sad
I understand completely, making reproductions myself. But copying someone elses work has it's own challenges: for the creater of the original it didn't have to turn out exactly like another Happy When I make a reproduction, I strive to make it of the same typology, at best as if I'd commision the original maker to make another. But I never intend to make the exact artifact.
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PostPosted: Fri 16 Jan, 2009 10:15 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jeroen Zuiderwijk wrote:
Patryk Nieczarowski wrote:
Thank You very much everyone Happy

In fact real artist was the craftsman who made oryginal Kalkriese mask ...I made just the copy of this ...I'm not creator but re-creator only Sad
I understand completely, making reproductions myself. But copying someone elses work has it's own challenges: for the creater of the original it didn't have to turn out exactly like another Happy When I make a reproduction, I strive to make it of the same typology, at best as if I'd commision the original maker to make another. But I never intend to make the exact artifact.


Yes great work as it is very difficult to just draw a resemblance and matching one in steel is much harder as was said previously: One can compare it to walking in heavy and deep snow, it's hard to do but walking exactly in someone else's steps is a different and harder challenge. Big Grin Cool

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PostPosted: Sat 17 Jan, 2009 12:07 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

beauty metaphor ,thanx Happy

and thanx everyone for such good words

I 've no problems with drowing enything ,because I'm after Academy of Art ...and drawing of face- portrait and all human body was basic thing there

sheet metal it's hard material for working but in my opinion there's no matter what material is used - good sculptor cans work in all kind of material ....there's no matter it's the clay, the stone, the wood or metal ...it's just the medium - idea is in the head ...the rest it's just the practice and the tools

I'm still very fresh craftsmen as armorer ...so there's long,long way ahead me to be really good ...I hope it's possible ...I wish that Happy

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PostPosted: Fri 30 Jan, 2009 5:49 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

hello

I put few better pics. of original mask into my gallery :

http://photofile.name/users/nieczar/3675439/

...maybe it'll be interesting for someone Happy

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PostPosted: Wed 20 May, 2009 4:36 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

hello

Few days ago I finished my new mask made by oryginal from Kalkriese. This one is smaller than first one (15x17 cm) and it's ready to use with the helmet - I made the hinge ...it's my version of the hinge ,the soloution similar to others exemples form many masks ...however as independent element rivated to the mask - not continuation of the mask's part.
In my opinion some holes over eye-bows are used for attaching somthing other than hinge construction (maybe some decorate) ... so I dont made it in my reconstruction.
For customer's wish I made steel rands not brass.
Off course some little details I changed by my way (this is MY Kalkriese mask ) ....but I think it doesn't destroy whole expresion of the mask

I hope it's better than my first one Kalkriese mask ... Happy

Pictures of new mask are able in my Photofile gallery .

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PostPosted: Wed 20 May, 2009 5:28 am    Post subject: Mask         Reply with quote

Very nice work Patryk Happy and best wishes for your future projects.

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PostPosted: Wed 20 May, 2009 6:20 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Very nice work and excelent attention to the detail!
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PostPosted: Thu 21 May, 2009 11:34 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Will you cover it, with a silver plate, like the original?
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PostPosted: Thu 21 May, 2009 2:40 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

thanx a lot guys Happy ....I tryed to make good work...now when I made the mask I see I could change some details Cry ....but maybe in next realisation of this mask I'll do this

Andreas, I wish do it ...but only by customer's wish ...and he wished steel version of the mask because the price .....steel maske covered by silver plate it's like 2 masks in one ....and covering by one piece silver plate this kind of the shape (human face) is even more difficould process than forging the mask in steel only ....and the price of the silver is also not low ....so the price of whole product 'll be really high ...even if the steel mask 'll be welded not raised in one piece
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PostPosted: Sat 23 May, 2009 4:08 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I’m not sure but I think I remember that the thickness of the Silver was about 0,2mm. Can this not easily by pressed in shape?
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PostPosted: Sat 23 May, 2009 5:18 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

try to do it ...and You'll see Happy

it's easy if we use many fragments of silver plate ...but it's quite differend case if we use one piece of the silver plate ....and we don't cover some simple spherical form but very inregular shape
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