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Bruno Giordan





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PostPosted: Mon 01 Dec, 2008 1:56 pm    Post subject: as anybody seen this helm before? Appears to be a full facep         Reply with quote

Found this on russian web



from this webpage

http://smhospital.fatal.ru/history.php?what=helmet

The text seems to say unattributed helm.
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PostPosted: Mon 01 Dec, 2008 2:22 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Looks like something early crusaders would wear.
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PostPosted: Mon 01 Dec, 2008 6:47 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Распространенным шлемом на протяжении 13 века был ТопфХельм (в переводе с немецкого горшковый шлем). Первые изображения данного шлема относятся к концу 12 века. Данный шлем используется преимущественно конными войнами.
Ранние формы топфхельма не имеют задней пластины.

The widespread helmet during 13 centuries was ТопфХельм [Tolfhelm] (in translation from German горшковый [gorshkovy] a helmet). The first images of the given helmet concern to the end of 12 centuries. The given helmet is used by mainly horse wars.
Early forms топфхельма [tolfhelma]have no back plate.

Two words I could not translate are tolfhelma, read Tolf-helm-a and gorshokkovy read gor shok kovy ee

I believe the first word is just a referance to the type of helm a 'Tolf' or Tolph if you will and the other I have no idea

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PostPosted: Mon 01 Dec, 2008 11:07 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

David Lewis Smith wrote:
Two words I could not translate are tolfhelma, read Tolf-helm-a and gorshokkovy read gor shok kovy ee


The word "ТопфХельм" is actually a "top helm". The word "горшковый" comes from "горшок" - a pot. The sentence "Распространенным шлемом на протяжении 13 века был ТопфХельм (в переводе с немецкого горшковый шлем)." is translated from Russian as "One of the wide-spread helms in the 13th century was a TopfHelm which translates as pot helm from German".
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PostPosted: Mon 01 Dec, 2008 11:58 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=90040


"the helm was discussed on 75 Years around Sept. 11, 2000, though the pictures have been removed. It is in the Netherlands Army Museum in Delft, and was labeled at that time as a "fifteenth century" helmet for foot combat. It's either 13th century or a 19th century fake."
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PostPosted: Tue 02 Dec, 2008 7:06 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

If it's genuine, it would be one of the few survivors of a type we see a lot of in art. I've never seen a surviving example of this type before, actually.
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PostPosted: Wed 03 Dec, 2008 7:24 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I was very interested in one of these sorts of helms myself, but was told no existing examples survive, as they were refitted to other kinds of helms.

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