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PostPosted: Fri 29 Aug, 2003 1:00 pm    Post subject: Albion's new Vikings         Reply with quote

I was looking at (okay, rather drooling over) the new Gotland viking sword on the Albion website, and I noticed that in the picture of the blade with the guard and pommel (no grip), the blade appears (at least to me) to have twin fullers. Not that this is a problem--in fact I think it would look really nice, but I'm just curious. It also looked similar in the other two models (Vinland and Clontarf).

Here's the picture, from the Albion website.



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PostPosted: Fri 29 Aug, 2003 1:06 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hey, you're right! That photo does make it hard to make out what's going on with the blade.

Best solution might be just to ask the folks at Albion, so I'll move this topic to the "Makers and Manufacturers Talk" forum and use the little "Email a friend" feature to notify them of the post..

I'm really curious now, too.

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Aug, 2003 1:41 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Nathan Robinson wrote:
Hey, you're right! That photo does make it hard to make out what's going on with the blade.

Best solution might be just to ask the folks at Albion, so I'll move this topic to the "Makers and Manufacturers Talk" forum and use the little "Email a friend" feature to notify them of the post..

I'm really curious now, too.


One mystery solved: The aluminum plug in the hilt wax photos has only the outside profile -- we don't put a fuller in the plugs because you would not be able to get the wax or casting on/off the plug/blade otherwise.

The exact features of the blade will have to remain a mystery until we start posting photos of finished blades shortly and that should answer most questions.

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PostPosted: Sat 30 Aug, 2003 9:11 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Who could have ever guessed that I would have a question about this line. *G*
Have you guys worked out any kind of treatment for swords like the Clontarf and the Vinland
to make the knotwork and floral designs stand out? I don't figure that Niello is an option but
I did know if a substitution might be in the works. The wire detailing between the lobes will be cast
into the pommels right? Finally, will the upper guard and pommel caps be cast as one piece or as two?

I'm so happy to see Albion pushing the bar with these viking swords. Viking sword decoration isn't easy
and most people elect to skip it.

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PostPosted: Fri 05 Sep, 2003 12:08 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Shane Allee wrote:
Who could have ever guessed that I would have a question about this line. *G*
Have you guys worked out any kind of treatment for swords like the Clontarf and the Vinland
to make the knotwork and floral designs stand out? I don't figure that Niello is an option but
I did know if a substitution might be in the works. The wire detailing between the lobes will be cast
into the pommels right? Finally, will the upper guard and pommel caps be cast as one piece or as two?

I'm so happy to see Albion pushing the bar with these viking swords. Viking sword decoration isn't easy
and most people elect to skip it.

Thanks
Shane


Hey Shane!

We want to start out doing a good basic line of accurate Viking swords, but in the (hopefully near) future, we will be both offering upgraded versions of these same hilts (with nielo, real twisted wire and other accents) and then a higher-end series of new designs with insets and other more intense additions (precious metals, etc.). Some of them will have two-part pommels and some won't, just as on originals.

Peter, Eric, Leif and Jason have some pretty wild ones up their sleeves, yet.

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PostPosted: Fri 05 Sep, 2003 9:33 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Howard Waddell wrote:




We want to start out doing a good basic line of accurate Viking swords, but in the (hopefully near) future, we will be both offering upgraded versions of these same hilts (with nielo, real twisted wire and other accents) and then a higher-end series of new designs with insets and other more intense additions (precious metals, etc.). Some of them will have two-part pommels and some won't, just as on originals.

Peter, Eric, Leif and Jason have some pretty wild ones up their sleeves, yet.




Howy, you are an evil man, my friend.... Talking dirty like that when I have no money... Wink Glad to see that the Viking swords are going to be getting into the less seen type work. I'd love to own some of those, as I'm a big fan of the metal work that went into those types...
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Is there any chance that the upgraded swords could be offered with pattern welded blades?
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Jay Barron wrote:
Is there any chance that the upgraded swords could be offered with pattern welded blades?


Hey Jay,

Because of the steel bar stock size requirements of machine, pattern-welded machined blades are very unlikely (think of the price tag on a bar of PW which is 40"x 4"x 1/4"). Plus, the great difficulty in getting the twisted core to line up just right every time.

We are contemplating a series of forged Pattern-welded blades by myself, Rick Barrett, and possibly Peter if he is interested with our castings. Nothing is set with this yet, and it is just a whimsical idea right now.

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Everything sounds very good, I'm looking forward to seeing the line develope.

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PostPosted: Sat 06 Sep, 2003 2:55 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jay Barron wrote:
Is there any chance that the upgraded swords could be offered with pattern welded blades?


This line from Albion look lovely, but I suspect that when they get around to pattern welded blades you'll effectively be paying custom prices because of all the extra work. It will be interesting to see how they compare with the TEMPL/Barta examples in this respect (although for you US residents the Albions' being 'home made' is going to be an additional advantage).
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Well, after going back and forth between this and the A & A English longsword, I have signed up for a Gotland. (I have plenty of longswords, but this will be my first Viking sword) Looking forward to October.

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Roger Hooper wrote:
Well, after going back and forth between this and the A & A English longsword, I have signed up for a Gotland. (I have plenty of longswords, but this will be my firtst Viking sword) Looking forward to October.


Hey Roger,

The Gotland is the one on my list as well, and if I'm not mistaken, it might be the most popular one of the four right now (considering the pre-orders).

I hope you like her as much when you get her.

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PostPosted: Mon 08 Sep, 2003 9:51 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jason Dingledine wrote:
Roger Hooper wrote:
Well, after going back and forth between this and the A & A English longsword, I have signed up for a Gotland. (I have plenty of longswords, but this will be my firtst Viking sword) Looking forward to October.


Hey Roger,

The Gotland is the one on my list as well, and if I'm not mistaken, it might be the most popular one of the four right now (considering the pre-orders).

I hope you like her as much when you get her.


Yes, Mike said that, so far, the Gotland was the most popular of the 4 Viking swords when I ordered it a few days ago.

I picked the Gotland because:

I like the profile taper on the blade
I prefer a downturned guard.
I like the way the cross and the pommel curve away from the hand. I think it will make for a more comfortable fit.
I think it looks great, though it's too bad that it doesn't have as much carving on the cross guard as do the Vinland and the Clontarf.

From the representaion models on the website, you can't get an absolute idea of what these new swords will look like. Actually they look a little odd and bent. But I trust that Albion will come up with a great finished product.
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I prefer the Vinland myself. In my mind that's the classic viking design.
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Jason Dingledine wrote:
Roger Hooper wrote:
Well, after going back and forth between this and the A & A English longsword, I have signed up for a Gotland. (I have plenty of longswords, but this will be my firtst Viking sword) Looking forward to October.


Hey Roger,

The Gotland is the one on my list as well, and if I'm not mistaken, it might be the most popular one of the four right now (considering the pre-orders).

I hope you like her as much when you get her.



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I like the look of that one the best, but is there a knack to holding it comfortably (I'm guessing you may have handled a prototype or mock-up)? The upper guard/pommel looks quite wide and pointy, as though it might give your wrist a bit of a bite sometimes.
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Geoff Wood wrote:



Mr Dingledine
I like the look of that one the best, but is there a knack to holding it comfortably (I'm guessing you may have handled a prototype or mock-up)? The upper guard/pommel looks quite wide and pointy, as though it might give your wrist a bit of a bite sometimes.


Hi Geoff,

Please just call me Jason, I'm not old enough yet to be a "Mister" (only in mid 20's).

The main trick to let the pommel slip past your wrist and not hold the sword in a "hammer" type grip. At first this may feel weak, like you will lose your grip, but it will deliver a very powerful slashing and slicing cut to the target I'll see if I can get a picture of me cutting with a Hastings from the time the cutting video was taken. I might have to call on Mac to host it for me though, since I don't have any personal webspace.

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Hi Geoff,

Please just call me Jason, I'm not old enough yet to be a "Mister" (only in mid 20's).

The main trick to let the pommel slip past your wrist and not hold the sword in a "hammer" type grip. At first this may feel weak, like you will lose your grip, but it will deliver a very powerful slashing and slicing cut to the target I'll see if I can get a picture of me cutting with a Hastings from the time the cutting video was taken. I might have to call on Mac to host it for me though, since I don't have any personal webspace.


Thanks Jason
I look forward to the pictures. I confess to some doubts about people (vikings) inventing a handle and then having to invent a new way to hold it (odd things with little fingers and so on) , but I'll keep the doubts in check for now.


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Just a suggestion guys.

When replying to a quote please edit your post so that it only displays the direct quote that you're responding to. Arbitrarily hitting the quote button copies everything, and it really strings things out.
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Patrick Kelly wrote:


Arbitrarily hitting the quote button copies everything, and it really strings things out.


Sorry
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I am very eager to see the first "real world" steel versions of these swords. Please get us some pictures as soon as you can.


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