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Rhys C





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PostPosted: Sat 12 Jan, 2008 1:10 pm    Post subject: Id on this dagger/short sword please guys         Reply with quote

Hi i was given the link to your forums to get an id on this

Looks like a dagger/short sword its 17 inches long but only been sharpened on 1 edge

the handle part is 4 1/2 inches long







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Eric Meulemans
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PostPosted: Sat 12 Jan, 2008 9:33 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Do you have any information as to its provenance? As it appears excavated, any idea where it was found?

My gut reaction tells me this is likely some home or theatre-built prop, perhaps late 19th, early 20th C.? The "pommel" looks to me like a lamp finial or similar. Potentially, it could be some sort of tool, or a modified form of one, but it is unlike any historical sword with which I am familiar. Hopefully some others may provide their insight.
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Rhys C





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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jan, 2008 8:57 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Its a metal detecting find m8 Cool
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Eric Meulemans
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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jan, 2008 9:08 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Rhys C wrote:
Its a metal detecting find m8 Cool


As a detectorist myself, I understand this. I wasn't asking whose backyard it came out of, but the country of origin might be nice. Perhaps even something so specific as province, county, etc...? Do you even have this information? Help us to help you.
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Rhys C





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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jan, 2008 2:14 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Eric Meulemans wrote:
Rhys C wrote:
Its a metal detecting find m8 Cool


As a detectorist myself, I understand this. I wasn't asking whose backyard it came out of, but the country of origin might be nice. Perhaps even something so specific as province, county, etc...? Do you even have this information? Help us to help you.


Sorry yes i have all the info as i found it

country = uk
county = tyne and wear
it came from a site that has had 98 coins out in 2 days mostly old viccy half pennys and pennys but 5 silver sixpences,2 belguim francs,a sword badge a royal fusilears badge(sp) and an old brooch,i it was told a victorian dump but its woodland and low down the rest of the wood is high all uphill

any more info you need just ask im only new to detecting 3 months
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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jan, 2008 2:58 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That's a hell of a find for only 3 months in. However, it doesn't look like anything I've ever seen before.

M.

This space for rent or lease.
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Geoff Wood




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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jan, 2008 3:32 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

... some sort of band sword maybe?
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PostPosted: Tue 15 Jan, 2008 9:02 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It could be a Victorian reproduction sword. During the Victorian period, the Middle Ages were viewed in a highly romantic light. It was sometimes fashionable to have a suit of armour or a sword in your possession. As a result, many reproductions of swords from the middle ages were made to suit the collector's fancies. Some were very good, but many were little more then the 19th century equivalent of today's wall-hangers.

This could be one of those.

"He had scantly finyshed his saienge but the one armye espyed the other lord how hastely the souldioures buckled their healmes how quikly the archers bent ther bowes and frushed their feathers how redely the byllmen shoke their bylles and proved their staves redy to appioche and loyne when the terrible trotnpet should sound the blast to victorie or deathe."
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