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Stirling Matheson





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PostPosted: Sun 02 Dec, 2007 3:10 pm    Post subject: Announcing SwordWiki         Reply with quote

www.swordwiki.org is now online.

This started on Sword Forum due to people wanting a database of Angus Trim's out of production swords, but we managed to turn it into a full fledged wiki.

If you have any articles to add on specific production swords, makers, sword topics (harmonic balence), swordsmen, or anything, please do... I would love to see this become something very useful, since I think is has the potential to do so.


PS: Mods, I think this is the proper section for this, but if not, feel free toss it to wherever.
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PostPosted: Sun 02 Dec, 2007 3:13 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I have moved this topic to the Off-topic Talk forum.

Please note the description for this forum:

"Discussions of general history and other miscellaneous topics relating to arms and armour that do not specifically fit our other forums"

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PostPosted: Mon 03 Dec, 2007 1:18 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I'm quite excited about this. I hope my server holds up... Happy

We've already started putting together a framework with basic index and sections, and a few sword models. It's my hope that collectors will be wiling to contribute photos, stats, descriptions, reviews, and general info to help flesh out the data.

But we also need information to be added in a lot of other areas as well.

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PostPosted: Mon 03 Dec, 2007 8:10 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

So is any sort of sword-related information welcome there?

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PostPosted: Tue 04 Dec, 2007 6:43 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yes, all sword-related information is welcome, as long as it's factual information and not story-telling. Happy
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PostPosted: Tue 04 Dec, 2007 8:15 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I put up an article entitled "SwordWiki Guidelines" that should give a general idea of what we are looking for, if you have any suggestions for the guidleines just email myself or Mr. Toton.
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PostPosted: Tue 04 Dec, 2007 9:51 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I wonder if we could get Chad's approval to transplant the Typology stuff over?

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PostPosted: Tue 04 Dec, 2007 9:56 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

M. Eversberg II wrote:
I wonder if we could get Chad's approval to transplant the Typology stuff over?

M.


Do you mean me? Happy If you would like to inquire about using any of myArmoury's content (text, images, etc.) please first refer to our Copyright Information Page for general info. Any specific requests to use myArmoury content need to be addressed to Nathan Robinson.

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PostPosted: Tue 04 Dec, 2007 10:03 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

M. Eversberg II wrote:
I wonder if we could get Chad's approval to transplant the Typology stuff over?

M.


You could always just put up a link to the already existing article, rather than copying it. Seems easier that way to me. Happy

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PostPosted: Wed 05 Dec, 2007 2:01 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ctrl C, Ctrl V for the win Razz


I'll give the Copyright stuff a read through; I had thought the articles where by Chad but they're by someone else; his profile page had no contact info, however. :|

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PostPosted: Wed 05 Dec, 2007 8:14 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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Ctrl C, Ctrl V for the win Razz


But why bother? If someone has gone through the hard effort of writing and publishing an article for free on one website, why bother copying it on another?

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for this SwordWiki... I've even already started contributing with it. But it makes a lot more sense to write new content, while linking to outside sources, then it does to just copy and paste other people's work (even with their permission).

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PostPosted: Wed 05 Dec, 2007 8:36 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I agree, in some of these cases it may make sense to have a general overview or summary, and link to myArmoury articles as "further reading" (and articles on other sites such as wikipedia for that matter). Sometimes having an index to a variety of resources is just as useful as having an in-depth article.
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PostPosted: Wed 05 Dec, 2007 3:24 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

We should have our own articles, which should link to myArmoury, since it is a fantastic site. I see SwordWiki filling a slightly different niche than myArmoury in that sword Wiki should be straight information, whereas in a published article an auther can present his/her opinion. Some articles on both websites should be redundant, but I think it would be worthless to copy paste them, since that would bring nothing new to the community, and problably against copyright.
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PostPosted: Wed 05 Dec, 2007 3:32 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Stirling Matheson wrote:
We should have our own articles, which should link to myArmoury, since it is a fantastic site. I see SwordWiki filling a slightly different niche than myArmoury in that sword Wiki should be straight information, whereas in a published article an auther can present his/her opinion. Some articles on both websites should be redundant, but I think it would be worthless to copy paste them, since that would bring nothing new to the community, and problably against copyright.


I might disagree that our stuff is opinion-based while yours wouldn't be. Any product review (here or elsewhere) will have a level of subjectivity no matter what you do. Stats, though, yours or ours, are "straight information." Our non-review articles are not editorials, they're researched presentations of published facts.

Further, we have an editorial process that ensures a consistent focus, look, and feel, holding all articles to the same standards. As we have seen by controversies on the big Wikipedia, you don't always have factual information presented when there is not a process in place to vet what's being posted.

Just my two cents of opinion vs. fact....

Also, copying and pasting our articles would be both redundant and in violation of copyright. Happy

I'm all for people creating new resources, though, and wish you guys success in your endeavors. Happy

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PostPosted: Wed 05 Dec, 2007 5:26 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I'm not saying your articles are completely subjective, but there is more room here for opinion than I think is proper in a Wiki. myArmoury is clearly based on facts and knowledge of the topic at hand, but there is room for an author's personal opinion in an article. That's all I mean to say.

Wikis of course have nice amounts of drivel posted on them... but that's what moderation is for. Big Grin

I'm nice and familiar with everything on this site, so if I see anything that has been ctrl-v ctrl-p I'll delete it immediatly.
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PostPosted: Wed 05 Dec, 2007 6:57 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Stirling Matheson wrote:
I'm not saying your articles are completely subjective, but there is more room here for opinion than I think is proper in a Wiki. myArmoury is clearly based on facts and knowledge of the topic at hand, but there is room for an author's personal opinion in an article. That's all I mean to say.


In looking at your articles on some swordmakers, I'd say there is indeed opinion presented. I think the opinions are helpful and valid, actually, but call them what they are. Happy

To try to be helpful, I signed up and corrected two makers' pages and added two more. Happy I also corrected a couple of other articles where myArmoury was listed as "myArmoury." It's a little thing, I know, but it's nice to have our name correctly spelled.

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PostPosted: Wed 05 Dec, 2007 8:11 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Excellent, yes I see some of your contributions. Thanks for lending a hand!

I've also gone in and removed a few opinions, though they're certainly going to creep in. I think you're right, some of it will certainly be valid, but we should be careful about how it's presented.

Wikipedia has the term "weasel words" for another concept I'm trying to steer clear of-- making statements along the lines of "many feel that" or "most agree", etc. If it can't be quantified, it should probably be reworded.

One thing I've also been doing is adding an indicator of some kind to the sword model names if they don't have model numbers already. We'll quickly run into name collisions otherwise (for instance, A&A "smallsword" vs Cold Steel "smallsword" vs the generic smallsword article/definition). Of course, we could always do what wikipedia does, and have disambiguation pages and so forth on a case by case basis, but I figured that would be more work for everyone. Thoughts?

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PostPosted: Wed 05 Dec, 2007 8:52 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I was kidding about copypasta, of course; I am considering writing up an article after class tomorrow, citing our articles here as well as a few books I possess.

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PostPosted: Sat 08 Dec, 2007 2:15 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Interesting. That could be pretty damn awesome if it grows and gets enough articles... Happy
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PostPosted: Sat 08 Dec, 2007 9:13 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I think that having "A&A Smallsword" vs. "Smallsword" should work pretty well without the need to add disambiguations.

On a side note, how tough should we be on citations? We havn't really been watching this too much, and I wouldn't want this is degenerate into craziness. I'm probably going to go in and add citation neededs to a few articles. However, this would severely limit our ability to provide statistics on swords, since most of them have been measured by the submitter.
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