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Rodolfo Martínez




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PostPosted: Thu 14 Jun, 2007 2:59 pm    Post subject: 16th Century Warfare in art.         Reply with quote

Hello people.

Do you know if there is any site where i can watch some Renaisance woodcuts, tapestries or something like that showing French (Or English) Gendarmes, and Swiss mercenaries?

Thanks.

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PostPosted: Thu 14 Jun, 2007 3:04 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

There's a historic art album in our photo albums.
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Rodolfo Martínez




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PostPosted: Fri 15 Jun, 2007 7:37 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yes, i have searched there before, thanks anyway. NIce woodcuts.
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Jun, 2007 8:22 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Is this of any help??

http://www.fioredeiliberi.org/gallery2/main.p...temId=9897

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Rodolfo Martínez




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PostPosted: Sat 16 Jun, 2007 8:57 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yes, of course. Thanks

Do you know if there is any woodcut showing men-at-ams fighting with maces, axes or hammers from horseback?

Thanks.

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PostPosted: Tue 19 Jun, 2007 9:17 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I've uploaded some images on the requested subjects into the Albums but they will have to be approved by a moderator before being available.

Images of cavalry using those weapons are rare, off-hand i can olny thing I've ver seen one, a warhammer beign used in the painting of the Rout of San Romano.
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PostPosted: Wed 27 Jun, 2007 11:10 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

IMG]http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/Captain_Gars1632/Ravenna_1512.jpg[/IMG]
French Gendarmes in a print representing the battle of Ravenna

IMG]http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/Captain_Gars1632/Swiss_Fornovo_1495_2.jpg[/IMG]
A close up of the Swiss gewalthaufen at Fornovo in a German print from 1496. Note the dismounted archers armed with longbows on the far side of the Swiss square.

I've also attached one of th eimages from the tomb of Francis I showing him in action against the Swiss at the battle of Marignano.



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PostPosted: Wed 27 Jun, 2007 11:11 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Since the images I tried to upload to the albums section have yet to appear I've posted them directly to this tread instead.


French Gendarmes in a print representing the battle of Ravenna


A close up of the Swiss gewalthaufen at Fornovo in a German print from 1496. Note the dismounted archers armed with longbows on the far side of the Swiss square.

I've also attached one of th eimages from the tomb of Francis I showing him in action against the Swiss at the battle of Marignano.



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French gendarmes charge Swiss at Marginano 1515 [ Download ]
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Rodolfo Martínez




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PostPosted: Wed 27 Jun, 2007 5:13 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thank you very much Mr. Staberg, those are wonderful images, specially the one of the Gendarmes. I can also apreciate the weaponry of each guy even the Gendarmes´ swords in wich i´m totally interested if not obsesed (Specially the one with the bastard-sword). Thanks to all guys.
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PostPosted: Thu 28 Jun, 2007 4:08 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

A couple more, they're from Niall Barr's "Flodden 1513":

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/Nephtys...solder.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/Nephtys..._Spurs.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/Nephtys...lodden.jpg


I can't remember where I found these:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/Nephtys...eA_227.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/Nephtys...fficer.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/Nephtys...ikemen.jpg
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Rodolfo Martínez




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PostPosted: Thu 28 Jun, 2007 5:38 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Truly nice woodcuts people. Do you know if there is any showing any centred man-at-arms(King or whatever) like in Durer´s knight?
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Rodolfo Martínez




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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jun, 2007 9:52 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hello again, i just remembered that i had this woodcut please take a look to this woodcut i´ve found some weeks ago here.
There are two men-at-arms wielding bastard swords from horseback, one is in the middle of the image and other is hidden in the right part. What do you think about it? (Accuracy and whatever)
There is a guy wearing a sallet too!

http://www.myArmoury.com/albums/displayimage....amp;pos=15

Thanks.

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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jun, 2007 7:59 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I don't see anything odd with that woodcut. What particular "inaccuracy" do you have in mind?
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PostPosted: Sun 01 Jul, 2007 11:39 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Maybe the mounted bastard-sword, the guy wearing the sallet...
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PostPosted: Mon 02 Jul, 2007 3:47 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hm...well, the swords are being used in one hand in the usual manner of mounted swordmanship, so I don't think the extra unused length in the grip would be a significant issue. After all, my meager experience in using longswords on horseback shows that most of them are fairly good weapons for horseback use--as long as you make sure the pommel doesn't get in your face.

And a sallet in the 16th century would not exactly be out of place either. Changes in fashion are gradual rather than discrete, and when it comes to armor--especially high-quality, individually fitted, expensive armor--old items often get reused without major modifications if they fit the new owner. Maybe the rider wearing the sallet was simply wearing his father's or grandfather's sallet because 1) their heads weren't all that different in size or conformation, 2) it still gave the protection he needed, and 3) it still fit the company's guidelines for its members' equipment.
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