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Merv Cannon




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PostPosted: Mon 02 Oct, 2006 4:36 am    Post subject: "Fashion" in metal and other wacky stuff.         Reply with quote

I think I got all inspired by Nathan's post of the picture of the "Young Jesters Mask" - thingy.! I really love looking at arms and armour that are unusual. So here are some more unusual items.............the big steel "Sailors "cap is based on a hat that was popular in Italy and undoubtly other places. Like the many harnesses that were exported, it look like the Italians have been setting the fashions long before Gucci and Armani were big !
The steel gowns are from the Graz Armoury and I suspect, just between you and I, that they were probably an Armourers "Promotion" or else they were showcase projects for the apprentice armourers.
Please add any of the wacky or unusual as you all see fit !



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Pamela Muir




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PostPosted: Mon 02 Oct, 2006 5:41 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I confess I love those gowns! Though they are a little impractical for walking the kids to school or parent-teacher conferences. Laughing Out Loud
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Merv Cannon




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PostPosted: Mon 02 Oct, 2006 8:42 am    Post subject: Steel Fashon         Reply with quote

Pamela Muir wrote:
I confess I love those gowns! Though they are a little impractical for walking the kids to school or parent-teacher conferences. Laughing Out Loud


Sure, but they'd be real attention grabbers at the local dance. At least no-one would get past first base though ...at least not without a mace in the face ! Eek! ......... wouldnt want to go walking in a thunderstorm either.......... which make me think....... those "Sailors" helmets must have gotten pretty heavy during a decent rainstorm !

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PostPosted: Mon 02 Oct, 2006 9:08 am    Post subject: Re: Steel Fashon         Reply with quote

Merv Cannon wrote:

Sure, but they'd be real attention grabbers at the local dance.

My husband's high school reunion is this weekend. I think one of those gowns would be formal enough and the perfect thing for meeting his old girlfriends. Wink

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PostPosted: Mon 02 Oct, 2006 12:01 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The gowns are modern and not even metal, IIRC. A genuine early 16th c. foot armour with tonlet isn't too far removed, however.
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Ruel A. Macaraeg





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PostPosted: Mon 02 Oct, 2006 7:54 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Folks,

Anyone seriously interested in the relation between fashion and arms -- and there is a very good reason to explore this relationship -- is recommended two things:

1. Visit the exhibit "Love and War: The Weaponized Woman" now showing at the Museum at the Fashion Institute of Technology, New York. I was privileged to give a lecture at the opening symposium earlier this month.

http://fitnyc.edu/museum

2. My lecture will be published as an article in the December issue of Fashion Theory (v10, n4-- get it!
"Dressed to Kill: Toward a Theory of Fashion in Arms and Armor"
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PostPosted: Mon 02 Oct, 2006 10:02 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ruel A. Macaraeg wrote:
Folks,

Anyone seriously interested in the relation between fashion and arms -- and there is a very good reason to explore this relationship -- is recommended two things:

1. Visit the exhibit "Love and War: The Weaponized Woman" now showing at the Museum at the Fashion Institute of Technology, New York. I was privileged to give a lecture at the opening symposium earlier this month.

http://fitnyc.edu/museum

2. My lecture will be published as an article in the December issue of [i]Fashion Theory
(v10, n4-- get it!
"Dressed to Kill: Toward a Theory of Fashion in Arms and Armor[/i]"


Ruel........I'd love to buy a copy of that lecture........but that link seems dead or else the web is overloaded.
Can you check that link or else tell me how I can get a copy ?

Many thanks !

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Ruel A. Macaraeg





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PostPosted: Tue 03 Oct, 2006 12:24 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks Merv! I think the website it back up now; here's a more specific link to the "Love and War" exhibit:
http://www3.fitnyc.edu/museum/loveandwar/default.htm

The two most impressive pieces on display -- from Christian Dior's summer show -- aren't online because they only arrived the night before the opening. But I'll prepare a review for myArmoury within the month, with photos of them and other notable designs. Also included were several pieces of real armor on loan from the Higgins.

The website for Fashion Theory is here, and they'll be able to get us copies (I need one for myself!)!). The current issue is 10.3 but 10.4 should be available soon:
http://www.bergpublishers.co.uk/uk/fashion/fashion_about.htm


Dr. Valerie Steele -- world's greatest fashion critic! -- is both the journal's editor and director of the FIT Museum, and I'm very encouraged by her openness to exploring the connection between fashion and armor/sex and violence. I'm hoping others will use the general principles outlined in my article to do more detailed studies in particular areas of interest -- and then sumbit those studies as well to Fashion Theory for publication.

We could help bring armor back into style in the 2000s! Cool
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George Hill




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PostPosted: Tue 03 Oct, 2006 3:08 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sean Flynt wrote:
The gowns are modern and not even metal, IIRC.


What material are they?

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James Arlen Gillaspie
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Oct, 2006 6:32 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ruel, I'm sorry I missed your lecture. I was there for the opening, though!


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E.B. Erickson
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PostPosted: Wed 04 Oct, 2006 5:42 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

As I recall, the Wallace Collection catalogs have a photo of a German suit of armor done in imitation of the "puffed and slashed" Landsknecht clothing. Pretty darn ugly it was, and very robotic looking. Anyone got the catalogs handy to scan a photo?

--ElJay
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Merv Cannon




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PostPosted: Wed 04 Oct, 2006 5:59 am    Post subject: Landsknecht P & S armour         Reply with quote

E.B. Erickson wrote:
As I recall, the Wallace Collection catalogs have a photo of a German suit of armor done in imitation of the "puffed and slashed" Landsknecht clothing. Pretty darn ugly it was, and very robotic looking. Anyone got the catalogs handy to scan a photo?

--ElJay


Is this the one ?............yep, it sort of looks like somrthing that Henry VIII would have worn to a niteclub !! Eek!



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Ruel A. Macaraeg





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PostPosted: Fri 23 Mar, 2007 10:57 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

James Arlen Gillaspie wrote:
Ruel, I'm sorry I missed your lecture. I was there for the opening, though!


Sorry for this extremely late reply, James! I haven't been very active on this or any forum since the conference... We actually did get to meet after all, though only briefly -- I was the guy in black.

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Mar, 2007 6:31 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Now I better understand the English "burning love" for Joan of Arc Big Grin
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