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Joe Fults
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Gather I'm not going to get to hear more about the training sword then?
"The goal shouldn’t be to avoid being evil; it should be to actively do good." - Danah Boyd
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Clyde Hollis
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Location: Tennessee Joined: 06 Jul 2006
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OK Chad,
I really took a long hard look at the Dordogne sword drawing and have sent some drawings with arrows at certain places to our Generation 2 foundry.
When I get the re-made proto-type back and have pictures taken I will post.
I also took some suggestions from a few people on the Ranger sword, I also have some changes being done there as well.
I can't wait to see the samples when they arrive. 
I also look forward to the feed back once the pictures are posted.  
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Richard Fay
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| Clyde Hollis wrote: |
I really took a long hard look at the Dordogne sword drawing and have sent some drawings with arrows at certain places to our Generation 2 foundry.
When I get the re-made proto-type back and have pictures taken I will post. |
Hi Clyde! 
I know I'm not Chad, but I hope you don't mind if I chime in here. I think it's terrific that you listened to what people observed and are trying to make an even better product. That's great! That was my hope, at least, when I tried to describe in detail how the replica differed from the drawing. I for one wasn't trying to be critical, just give you some constructive criticism.
Keep striving for better!
Stay safe!
"I'm going to do what the warriors of old did! I'm going to recite poetry!"
Prince Andrew of Armar
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Clyde Hollis
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Location: Tennessee Joined: 06 Jul 2006
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| Richard Fay wrote: | | Clyde Hollis wrote: |
I really took a long hard look at the Dordogne sword drawing and have sent some drawings with arrows at certain places to our Generation 2 foundry.
When I get the re-made proto-type back and have pictures taken I will post. |
Hi Clyde!
I know I'm not Chad, but I hope you don't mind if I chime in here. I think it's terrific that you listened to what people observed and are trying to make an even better product. That's great! That was my hope, at least, when I tried to describe in detail how the replica differed from the drawing. I for one wasn't trying to be critical, just give you some constructive criticism.
Keep striving for better!
Stay safe! |
Yes and thank you also Richard.
It will not take long to be completed but I have to wait until our current order is complete before they can work on my changes.
Still have to pay the bills you know. 
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Richard Fay
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| Clyde Hollis wrote: | | Still have to pay the bills you know. |
Oh, I know! 
That's why I would like to see what you can come up with, I might eventually be a customer. I personally would like to see some nicer budget swords out there.
Stay safe, and thanks for listening!
"I'm going to do what the warriors of old did! I'm going to recite poetry!"
Prince Andrew of Armar
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Ed Toton
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| Jonathan Hopkins wrote: | Yes! I wish I had the skills to lay the lines from the drawing over a photo of the Dordogne, but sice I don't, here is a side by side.
(SFI deja vu.) |
A quick hack, lining up the drawing more or less with the guard and blade....
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Joe Fults
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So about that practice sword...
"The goal shouldn’t be to avoid being evil; it should be to actively do good." - Danah Boyd
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J F. McBrayer
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| Joe Fults wrote: | | So about that practice sword... |
I'm also interested to hear if anyone has handled one of these.
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Edward Hitchens
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The only Generation 2 sword I've handled was their '12th century sword.' Though I thought it was a tad overweight (their description of the weight says "under 3.5 pounds") it handled very well with the limited dry handling I was able to do with it. I last saw it for $219 on swordarmory.com, an online retailer that does not charge for shipping.
IMHO, Generation 2 swords are very good for their price range; I have yet to come across one I don't like.
"The whole art of government consists in the art of being honest." Thomas Jefferson
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Joe Fults
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Website only gives the following:
German Two Handed Practice Sword
Blade length: 38 1/8"
Handle/Hilt length: 10 1/2"
Overall: 49 1/8"
Balance Point: 4" Below Hilt
Weight: 4 lbs. 3 oz
Giving not much more information than this about training weapons seems to be pretty common practice. I checked several company websites before making this post just to be sure. Its a somewhat unfortunate norm in my opinion, because I think edge thickness matters in a steel raining tool. Espcially when I intend to swing the tool at a training partner.
myArmoury does give edge thickness measurements on its reviews of two Arms & Armor training tools. Along the length of the blade even. I'd really like to get that information on the Gen 2 trainer.
"The goal shouldn’t be to avoid being evil; it should be to actively do good." - Danah Boyd
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Chad Arnow
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| Clyde Hollis wrote: |
I really took a long hard look at the Dordogne sword drawing and have sent some drawings with arrows at certain places to our Generation 2 foundry.
When I get the re-made proto-type back and have pictures taken I will post.
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Clyde,
I think it's fantastic to see that some tweaks on the way. I'm looking forward to seeing the new proto-type.
ChadA
http://chadarnow.com/
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Richard Fay
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| Clyde Hollis wrote: |
I really took a long hard look at the Dordogne sword drawing and have sent some drawings with arrows at certain places to our Generation 2 foundry.
When I get the re-made proto-type back and have pictures taken I will post.
I also took some suggestions from a few people on the Ranger sword, I also have some changes being done there as well.
I can't wait to see the samples when they arrive.
I also look forward to the feed back once the pictures are posted. |
Hi Clyde!
I had one other thought regarding any adjustments you make to the Dordogne sword. I should have thought about this sooner, but all the focus seemed to be on the hilt. If you adjust the amount of thickness in the cross, I assume that you will be reducing the weight of the cross by a bit. You may have to make minor adjustments to the blade as well if the current balance point and centre of percussion are appropriate on the current replica. You can't make changes to the mass of one part without changes the properties of the whole.
Where are the point of balance and the centre of percussion currently on your replica? Do you want them to remain approximately the same in your adjusted replica? If you do, and you take some mass off the cross, you may have to adjust the blade by giving it slightly more taper, or otherwise tweak the mass of the blade. It's a bit like a balance scale; take weight off one end, and the other end drops. Assuming that your balance point is just below the cross on the blade, take some weight off the cross, and the balance point will probably move a bit towards the point of the blade.
I've never personally dealt with these things, perhaps the makers here could give you a better idea of what I'm talking about, but I think it's simply a matter of physics. One adjustment may change the overall properties of the handling of the sword. I just thought I would mention this, so you can keep it in mind.
Good luck, and stay safe!
"I'm going to do what the warriors of old did! I'm going to recite poetry!"
Prince Andrew of Armar
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Garrett L. Hammonds
Location: Tennessee Joined: 24 May 2007
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I actually own a generation 2 sword it works very well, and can stand up to just about anything i put it through, its not the most histrorically accurate sword i have seen but it works well for what i use it for
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Mike Harris
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| Joe Fults wrote: | | So about that practice sword... |
Joe,
I finally got to try out one of Clyde's practice swords. It is quite a handful as far as length. It feels somewhat similar to my first generation Albion Crecy, but the blade is significantly more flexible (as a training sword must be). It definitely has a blade presence, more like a great sword than a fast-handling longsword preferred for German or Italian longsword play.
I liked the way it handled pretty well. The one thing that would cause me to be reluctant about using this sword for live sparring with a partner is the edge. I think I would best describe the edge as an unsharpened sword instead of a blunt. I would guess the dull edge is about 50% thicker than an unsharpened MRL Windlass sword.
If I bought one of these I would further dull the edge by removing about .050" from each edge. This would also likely remove a slight bit of the "blade heavy" feel and might make a really good blunt for longsword training.
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Mike Harris
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| Edward Hitchens wrote: | The only Generation 2 sword I've handled was their '12th century sword.' Though I thought it was a tad overweight (their description of the weight says "under 3.5 pounds") it handled very well with the limited dry handling I was able to do with it. I last saw it for $219 on swordarmory.com, an online retailer that does not charge for shipping.
IMHO, Generation 2 swords are very good for their price range; I have yet to come across one I don't like. |
I recently recieved one of the Gen2 12th Century Norman swords from the most recent batch. Clyde has made a few changes to the hilt that are obvious in this picture. Note the slight tapering of the grip and the significant reduction in the thickness of the guard front-to-back.
IMO Clyde still has a little way to go with improvements to the guard and pommel, but the more I handle and cut with this sword the more I like it. Just about the only changes I would make to this one is to thin the guard from side-to-side and make the pommel thicker and heavier to counterbalance the fairly heavy blade. I think this sword could be significantly improved even more if Clyde changes to a guard thickness and pommel similar in configuration to the Albion Count shown below for comparison.
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Garrett L. Hammonds
Location: Tennessee Joined: 24 May 2007
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? Which one did you say was the new one? the one on the right or left? 
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Mike Harris
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| Garrett L. Hammonds wrote: | | ? Which one did you say was the new one? the one on the right or left? |
Sorry for the confusion. The sword on the right is the new version of the Gen2 12th Century Norman. The sword on the left is an Albion Count.
To clarify, I think the Gen2 Norman would benefit from a thicker pommel and a trimmer guard similar to those on the Albion Count in the picture.
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Rob MacL.
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I know this is a little off topic from the way this thread has headed, but as for overall Generation 2 quality, I recently purchased the Generation 2 "River Witham" Viking Sword, and was quite frankly shocked at how attractive it was and how well it handled for its price range. While I am not educated enough to talk about the historical accuracy or the fine points of the handling of the sword, it definately "feels" better than most of the lower end swords I have handled, especially compared to weight. The copper lozenge inserts were very well done, and IMHO the sword looks very nice hanging on the wall.
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Ian Chin
Location: Welling,Kent, United Kingdom Joined: 26 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Sun 30 Dec, 2007 12:39 pm Post subject: generation 2 Excalibur wanted |
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whilst on the subject of Generation 2 swords. Does anyone know where I can purchase the Generation 2 Excalibur sword? I know that they stopped making these back in 2006. Perhaps oneday they may produce these swords again.
Anyhow, I'm on the lookout for one, so if anyone knows of one going. It would greatly appreciated.
Ian
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Grayson C.
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Good news Ian!
Several forumites (inculding myself) over at the SBG sword forum have gotten together and gathered enough support for Clyde to start remaking the gen2 excalibur. Only a few catched though, none are too significant
1.) The sword, brought back with solid brass fittings, would cost $500 due to the price of brass
2.) Brass plating might work if it is accepted by the people who want it back.
3.) Copper plating has proven bad SO FAR
Anyways, this is all tentative news, probably best to go check it out over at SBG.
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