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PostPosted: Sat 30 Dec, 2006 9:05 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks Richard and Nathan. Apart for some details, this sword looks a lot the Yeoman from Albion. I was under the impression that this sword had an hollow-ground or diamond cross-section.

Edit : apparently the center of the pommel is hollow and contains a crystal capsule (don't know it's the correct English word) supposed to contain some holy relic. Perhaps this is the reason for the "cat eye" in E. Oakeshott drawing. Wink
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Max von Bargen wrote:
Thanks for posting all of these great pictures! It really makes a difference for someone in an area with not so many good museums. I really appreciate it.

Max


Dear Max,

You are very welcome. I was in a rush this time in Paris. Next time I will take pictures of many swords as I can and post them here. Thanks again.

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PostPosted: Sun 31 Dec, 2006 2:17 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Nathan Robinson wrote:
That estoc of Henry II's is awesome. Check out the Hs forming cross-guard finials and incorporated into the side ring and pommel. Very unusual.


Thanks Nathan. BTW could you please tell me about the historical use of estocs in Europe?

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PostPosted: Sun 31 Dec, 2006 2:21 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sword used for Don Martin's coronation. THis is a marvellous one as well.


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PostPosted: Sun 31 Dec, 2006 7:16 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Some European steel shields from 1550.

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PostPosted: Sun 31 Dec, 2006 7:40 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi M

Might you have any information on that two hand claymore ?
Also if you have a high res picture of it I'd like to get a better look at it ?

It appears to have a baskethilt pommel, similar to a couple other claymores I've seen that no doubt lost their original pommels, but I'd sure like to see a closeup !

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PostPosted: Sun 31 Dec, 2006 8:04 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thomas McDonald wrote:
Hi M

Might you have any information on that two hand claymore ?
Also if you have a high res picture of it I'd like to get a better look at it ?

It appears to have a baskethilt pommel, similar to a couple other claymores I've seen that no doubt lost their original pommels, but I'd sure like to see a closeup !

Thanks for sharing, Mac


You are welcome Mac. Unfortunately I do not have close-ups of that sword. That sword is all original as others are in this museum. Next time (will not be too far) in Paris I will take as many pics as I can. Thanks. Could you post similar pommels of baskethilts?

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PostPosted: Sun 31 Dec, 2006 8:20 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mac

Please look at this picture. Is this better?

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PostPosted: Sun 31 Dec, 2006 8:24 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks, M, much appreciated !

Here are a few examples of basket-hilts with that style pommel shape, Mac



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PostPosted: Sun 31 Dec, 2006 8:31 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi M

Thank you, that is much clearer !

The pommel is most definately from a baskethilt, as no 16th century two-hander would have had something like that !
You can even see the groove where the baskets guards would have butted into !

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PostPosted: Sun 31 Dec, 2006 8:55 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thomas McDonald wrote:
Hi M

Thank you, that is much clearer !

The pommel is most definately from a baskethilt, as no 16th century two-hander would have had something like that !
You can even see the groove where the baskets guards would have butted into !

Thanks again, Mac


I see Mac what you mean now. Amazing. Thank you for the clarification. When and why do you think this replacement was made? BTW thank you for posting the pictures of these marvellous baskethilt swords. I have been always fascinated by Scattish swords.


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PostPosted: Sun 31 Dec, 2006 8:56 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mac

Could you please post pictures of what the original pommels look like?

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PostPosted: Sun 31 Dec, 2006 9:36 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hello all!
Hugo Voisine wrote:

apparently the center of the pommel is hollow and contains a crystal capsule (don't know it's the correct English word) supposed to contain some holy relic. Perhaps this is the reason for the "cat eye" in E. Oakeshott drawing.


Hugo,
The pommel has a crystal disk with a possible relic set into the hollow of the centre, just like the back of the Edward III sword. Here's Oakeshott's description of this possible French royal sword from circa 1300-1350, from Records of the Medieval Sword:
Ewart Oakeshott wrote:

The hilt of iron (pommel and cross) is plated with gold, all of which survives except for a few patches where it has flaked off. In the central recess of the pommel, below a thin plate of rock crystal, is a brown fragment of ancient woven fabric, in the form of a cross. The original leather covering of the grip survives. On the blade is a finely lettered inscription: "NULLA DE VIRTUTIBUS TUIS MAJOR CLEMENTIA EST" ("Nothing of your virtues is greater than clememcy")...

...this is a kingly sword, and the form and construction of its hilt exactly matches that of a sword made c. 1340 for Edward III, even to the piece of ancient fabric in the pommel...

It is known that Philippe IV, le Bel, deposited one of his swords in Chartres Cathedral in 1308, together with his armour in gratitude for his victory in battle at Mons en Pouille. It was last recorded in that cathedral in the 18th century. It is probable that this is that sword.

I don't think we can really say that this is the same sword that Philippe IV deposited in Chartres, but I think it could very well be a royal sword. The "cat's eye" was, I believe, Oakeshott's attempt to illustrate the cross-shaped relic under the rock crystal disk.

I hope this helped!

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Manouchehr M. wrote:
Look at that Scottish Claymore, that is really lovely.




Manouchehr;

Do you have any other pictures showing those nifty wheellock pistols right above the Claymore more clearly? I would very much enjoy seeing those, as they look to be quite early examples, probably from the 1540's or so.

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Sorry Gordon, I am afraid I do not have other pics. Next time I will shoot some pictures of them, promised.

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PostPosted: Sun 31 Dec, 2006 7:53 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Dear friends,

This museum has an impressive collection of European armor. Look at these marvellous pieces.

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Manouchehr M. wrote:
Sorry Gordon, I am afraid I do not have other pics. Next time I will shoot some pictures of them, promised.

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Manouchehr


Manouchehr;

No worries, thank you for checking though. Happy

Thank you for posting all of those photo's too, and I look forward to any more you can come up with in the future!

Allons!

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PostPosted: Mon 01 Jan, 2007 3:17 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Gordon,

You are welcome my friend. These armors are from around 1550.

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Armor related to Louis XIII and horse armor

French work of 1630- 1640

This is really a marvellous piece of work



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Manouchehr,
Thanks for posting all of those photos!

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