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Lesley S
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 Posted: Sun 06 Aug, 2006 2:37 pm Post subject: Dirk Pommel or Dagger? |
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Fantastic forum some great weapons and research details on the forum.
I do some metal detecting surveys for Museum and Private Archaeologist Companies in Scotland and have recently
returned from Bannock Burn with a team and Bothwell Bridge.
We managed to turn up a nice pommel end from Bothwell Bridge which we hope will date to the battle, just wondered
if any of your members have seen this design in their travel. It is uncleaned state in the photo as we handed it straight over to the Archaeologists on the day.
cheers
Lesley
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Lesley S
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bottom part sorry this is in two postings
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Lesley S
Location: Scotland Joined: 25 Jul 2006
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thanks Craig thought it looked too big maybe for that, could be let you know the outcome asap. 
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Al Muckart
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If it is, it's for someone with awfy big socks! That thing is near 4" across, about 4 x the size of the one on my sgian dubh.
I'd say it's the pommel stone from a dirk, though I have no idea whether the pattern of dirk which held pommel stones dates back to bothwell bridge. I always thought the caringorm-stone mounted regimental dirks were a 19th century thing, but I may well be wrong.
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Al.
http://wherearetheelves.net
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Jean Thibodeau
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Oh, it's close to 4 cm across which would be a bit over 1 1/2" wide not 4 " : Maybe Al you didn't notice that it was a metric tape
measure.
With the pictures shown I have trouble understanding the shape in a 3D way: Maybe if shown from different angles it would be easier to identified ? By somebody else than me though as I haven't a clue.
Lesley, welcome to the site by the way.
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Al Muckart
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| Jean Thibodeau wrote: | Oh, it's close to 4 cm across which would be a bit over 1 1/2" wide not 4 " : Maybe Al you didn't notice that it was a metric tape
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Dur! Don't I feel special now.
And I live in a metric country, too. It's the "American site, therefore tape-measures are in inches" auto conversion kicking in :/
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Al.
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Jean Thibodeau
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| Al Muckart wrote: | | Jean Thibodeau wrote: | Oh, it's close to 4 cm across which would be a bit over 1 1/2" wide not 4 " : Maybe Al you didn't notice that it was a metric tape
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Dur! Don't I feel special now.
And I live in a metric country, too. It's the "American site, therefore tape-measures are in inches" auto conversion kicking in :/ |
I know what you mean: Canada changed to metric around 1967 I think, but I still think in inches first and in F° degrees for temperature. I can sort of visualize metric but it's much easier for me in the old system.
Didn't want to make you feel " stupid " though. 
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GG Osborne
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Okay, I suppose we're all guessing now, but since there is no information about this find in situ , i.e. how deep in the soil, was the soil undisturbed, etc., my guess is that this is an anomaly. My gut says this artifact is from a 19th century military style bandsman dirk that was "lost" during a celebration at the bridge anywhere from 50-150 years ago. It doesn't "feel' right to be from the period of the battle. Again, just a guess, but closer than assuming its a battlefield artifact. Well, actually, it is a battlefield artifact, just not from the period of the battle itself! George
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Allen Johnson
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I agree- I dont think we have ever seen a pommel stone like that before the very end of the 18th century at the earliest. As far as I know...
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This is a standard topic