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Thomas McDonald
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 Posted: Sat 03 Jan, 2004 3:01 pm Post subject: The 'Turing Stone' Two hander, c. 1411 |
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Photos : The 15th Park Lane Arms Fair catalogue , D.A. Oliver .
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Russ Ellis
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| Posted: Sat 03 Jan, 2004 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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Curious was it really supposed to be a two hander? The swords pictured look rather oversized in general porportionally to the men pictured. Pommels crosses etc. all seem to be out of scale.
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Thomas McDonald
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| Posted: Sat 03 Jan, 2004 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Russ Ellis wrote: | | Curious was it really supposed to be a two hander? The swords pictured look rather oversized in general porportionally to the men pictured. Pommels crosses etc. all seem to be out of scale. |
Hi Russ
There is always uncertainty, & speculation ,when interperting these old slabs ..... one can never be sure !
Here's a snippet from the article :
If your interested I can send you the complete article, as I uploaded the pages in jpg form !
Mac
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Russ Ellis
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Thomas McDonald
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| Russ Ellis wrote: | | If you don't mind I would love to see the whole thing. |
Hi Russ
I private messaged you the links ! Let me know what you think !
Mac
'Gott Bewahr Die Oprechte Schotten'
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Bart Walczak
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Would it be possible to obtain a whole article?
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Bart Walczak
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Thomas McDonald
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| Posted: Mon 05 Jan, 2004 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Bart Walczak wrote: | Would it be possible to obtain a whole article?
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Hi Bart
I privated messaged you the article !
Mac
'Gott Bewahr Die Oprechte Schotten'
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Russ Ellis
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Well it was a totally fascinating article but I don't think that the author convincingly addresses the point that the swords might have just been badly carved. I'm not saying that they were not two handers just that he did not do a good job of proving it. He did do a good job of showing that there were contemporary two handers in existence and so that these swords COULD have been two handers.
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Ken Demyen
Location: Lancaster, CA Joined: 15 Dec 2003
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| Russ Ellis wrote: | | Well it was a totally fascinating article but I don't think that the author convincingly addresses the point that the swords might have just been badly carved. I'm not saying that they were not two handers just that he did not do a good job of proving it. He did do a good job of showing that there were contemporary two handers in existence and so that these swords COULD have been two handers. |
based on one of my Art history classes, proportion, and perspective was just being introduced into european art in the early 15c. Before that, the size of an object, or person in artwork was based on its/their importance relative to other elements of the piece, not actual size to the other elements. (A king would be painted larger than his subjects regardless of his placement in a painting).
The swords do appear out of scale so in the above carving the figure with the larger sword could have a higher social standing.
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