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K O'Sullivan





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PostPosted: Fri 21 Jul, 2006 8:59 pm    Post subject: Curious about the construction of Albion Next Gen blades         Reply with quote

Greetings everyone! This is my first post and I'm coming to you with a question! It's actually 2 questions I suppose and some insight into both would be greatly appreciated.

First, how are albion blades crafted? Are they ground out of solid steel, or are they pattern welded or forged in any manner?

Second, what kind of strength can one expect form a hollow ground blade such as the Lady Vivamus Limited Edition?

Hopefully someone can shed some light for me!

Thanks!
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Addison C. de Lisle




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PostPosted: Fri 21 Jul, 2006 9:10 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Albion swords are created through stock removal; the grinding down of a blade blank made by a CNC machine. The crossguard and pommel are cast using investment casting. The strength and edge retention of the end product is not affected by choosing one of these methods over the other, with the exception of certain pattern-weld combinations which result in superior edge retention and strength.

I can't comment on the strength of the blades as I haven't done enough cutting as of yet. However, I wouldn't worry too much about it, as Albion is (one of the) standard-setting companies out there. Excellent customer service, beatiful products.
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K O'Sullivan





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PostPosted: Fri 21 Jul, 2006 9:15 pm    Post subject: Thanks!         Reply with quote

Ahhh!! Thank You for the link to the article! Obvoiusly I didn't search long enough!

Much obliged for the rapid response!
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Addison C. de Lisle




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PostPosted: Fri 21 Jul, 2006 9:57 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Heh, it actually makes the link automatically. There are a lot of great articles in the "Features" tab at the top right, definately worth a read.
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Taylor Ellis




PostPosted: Sat 22 Jul, 2006 12:38 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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The strength and edge retention of the end product is not affected by choosing one of these methods over the other, with the exception of certain pattern-weld combinations which result in superior edge retention and strength.

As far as I know, pattern welding is an ancient homogenising technique, and fell out of use as steel rinefinement improved. A pattern welded sword offers no advantage over a homogenous steel sword in either edge retention nor strength, all else being equal.
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PostPosted: Sat 22 Jul, 2006 6:19 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

We have reviewed 26 NG models and many of them discuss construction in general. They're worth a read. Happy

Hollow-grinding is a historical technique, so if done properly, you should expect period-appropriate strength. Based on Albion's Regent (on of those swords we've reviewed and one I own), Albion does it right. If you take the hollow-grind all the way to the edge you might make a weak edge, because it would be quite thin and unsupported from behind. Albion's researchers have noted, though, that many historical hollow-ground swords have a grind that stops before the edge leaving a slightly thickened area to support the edge. It's almost like a wide, very shallow fuller. If the Lady V is like the Regent, you'll be fine.

For more info on stock removal vs. forging, you can see here: http://www.myArmoury.com/feature_groundpound.html

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Addison C. de Lisle




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PostPosted: Sat 22 Jul, 2006 11:15 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Taylor Ellis wrote:

As far as I know, pattern welding is an ancient homogenising technique, and fell out of use as steel rinefinement improved. A pattern welded sword offers no advantage over a homogenous steel sword in either edge retention nor strength, all else being equal.


In my copy of the Complete Bladesmith (Jim Hrisoulas) it states that there are "exotic" pattern welds that "will outcut all other Damascus steel: pattern-weld 0-1 and 1050" (pg. 132). Perhaps I am misinterpreting this particular paragraph.
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PostPosted: Sat 22 Jul, 2006 12:41 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

For more information, check out the many articles on their website as to how their swords are made.

http://www.albion-swords.com/sword-articles.htm

"Tis but a scratch.....A scratch? your arm's off!"-- Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
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