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Michael Mercier
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Its about time!
Either this is new or I never saw it before. But this is on my want list.
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Chad Arnow
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Some have commented on the length of the langets. They're not out of the realm of possibility. See two historic examples below of somewhat similar weapons.
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Alex Oster
Location: Washington and Yokohama Joined: 01 Mar 2004
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I was under the impression that the only real differance between the two (Lucerne Hammer & bec-de-corbin) was the length of the center/top spike... (and maybe the prongs on the hammer side.)
But I'm just me, so that dosen't stand on much I guess. 
The pen is mightier than the sword, especially since it can get past security and be stabbed it into a jugular.
This site would be better if everytime I clicked submit... I got to hear a whip crack!
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Alexi Goranov
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| Alex Oster wrote: | I was under the impression that the only real differance between the two (Lucerne Hammer & bec-de-corbin) was the length of the center/top spike... (and maybe the prongs on the hammer side.)
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the construction in how the hammer is secured to the body of the weapons is different. The in the case of the "lucerne hammer" the the top spike goes through the hammer (see pictures in my previous post on this thread). The detail of how that was done differs between earlier and later lucerne hammers. In the case of the "run of the mill" poleaxe or bec-de-corbin, the top spike and langets go over the hammer to secure it, as in the case of the MRL example.
There may be exceptions to the trend.
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Alexi Goranov
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| Posted: Sat 22 Apr, 2006 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Chad Arnow wrote: | | Some have commented on the length of the langets. They're not out of the realm of possibility. See two historic examples below of somewhat similar weapons. |
Interesting examples. I wonder how well the right one will hold, and whether or not it was a processional piece The langets have two closely spaced nails going through them as far as I can see. Naively, that does not seem sound but until I get to handle it in person, all that is a pure speculation.
for the record, Lucerne hammer pictures I have seen all have much longer langets than the MRL piece, which is why I made the comment.
May be I should just stop comparing MRL's product to a "Lucerne hammer" and it will al be good
I still would not like it though.
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Chad Arnow
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Interesting examples. I wonder how well the right one will hold, and whether or not it was a processional piece The langets have two closely spaced nails going through them as far as I can see. Naively, that does not seem sound but until I get to handle it in person, all that is a pure speculation.
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To me, it looks like there are 2 sets of langets: One attached directly to the hammer head, the other to the top spike. The set from the top spike is on top of the other and riveted through it.
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Alexi Goranov
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| Chad Arnow wrote: | | Alexi Goranov wrote: |
Interesting examples. I wonder how well the right one will hold, and whether or not it was a processional piece The langets have two closely spaced nails going through them as far as I can see. Naively, that does not seem sound but until I get to handle it in person, all that is a pure speculation.
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To me, it looks like there are 2 sets of langets: One attached directly to the hammer head, the other to the top spike. The set from the top spike is on top of the other and riveted through it. |
that is neat construction ! In this case though maybe number compensates for length
What is the source for the photos?
Alexi
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Chad Arnow
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Joe Fults
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Got the new MRL catalog today.
Most of these do not look so good in it. Different angles and perhaps more detail in the photos. Just my opinion though.
"The goal shouldn’t be to avoid being evil; it should be to actively do good." - Danah Boyd
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Michael P Smith
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I like the Bec. I prefer their older design, but this is a nice one too, especially at the price. Wonder how well the top spike is heat-treated?
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Michael P Smith
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Trying to look as closely as I can, it looks to me like the MRL Bec head is made from one piece....
Anyone know of anyone else making a Bec de Corbin repro?
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Michael P Smith
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Michael Mercier
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Well, despite the bec-de-corbin being ugly or not, manufacturers these days do not give us reenactors a lot of choices when it comes to inexpensive yet functional polearms. Of course there are places out of the Czech, but after shipping costs, things tend to get quite expensive anyways. I dont know of anyone in the states that can put a pole arm in my hands for the price range like this.
Although they are not spot on reproductions, they will do well enough for talks and demos. I really have no other choice.
Mike
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Terry Crain
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I just noticed the new item called a "Bar Mace" . It shows up as the last item on the sword page of MRL's online catalog. I have never seen such a weapon and wondered if anyone has any info on it and/or opinions about this MRL version. Seems like a heavy weapon to wield. Do some serious damage I suppose....
Not too sure of the time period this type of weapon would have been used, any thoughts out there?
Terry
Terry Crain
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Terry Crain
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whoops, the bar mace shows up on page 6 of the sword page, not on the last page (7). Weighs in at 4 pounds 8 ounces, sheesh!
Terry Crain
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Joe Fults
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IMO it looks like a modern interpretation intended for display, or perhaps a modern reproduction of a victorian piece that was intended for display or parade/ceremony. I have very limited experience with these items, but I have seen a handful of originals, and this does not capture the character of any of the originals I have seen. To me the whole head just looks wrong, but I'm not knowledgable enough to be able to explain why. 
Of course now that I posted this, somebody will post a photo of an original that looks just like it!! 
All that said, I think its nice enough in its own right, and at its price point, its a reasonable tempting value because its something different. For everthing short of period re-enactment I think it should work nicely. Some of the folks in that hobby might be able to shed some meaningful light if they stop by this thread, since I'm really only giving lightly informed opinion.
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Terry Crain
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Has anyone who hs the new catalog seen the new axe called the "late war axe" listing for $110.00? It is listed as the second to last item on the MRL axe, hammer , mace page on the on-line catalog with a detailed description, but the picture doesn't show-up. Wondering if it is really available yet.
If it is in the printed catalog, can anyone post a picture of it. Thanks.
Terry
Terry Crain
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D Roberts
Location: Australia Joined: 03 Nov 2007
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Does anybody own one? what is it like? there's no review in the review section but would be interested to know what they are like physically - they certainly look nice
cheers
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