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PostPosted: Tue 29 Nov, 2005 10:03 pm    Post subject: throated hooking shields?         Reply with quote

I can't help but smirk when I come across the throated hooking shields in the Talhoffer plates. These things are crazy looking. Being a novice researcher, I have never seen anything quite like these before, . I guess my question is, does anyone have any pictures (museum or reproduction) or info on these defensive oddballs. Thanks
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PostPosted: Tue 29 Nov, 2005 11:15 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

There is something simillar in Paulus Hector Mairs fechtbuch too.

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PostPosted: Tue 29 Nov, 2005 11:20 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Martin Wallgren wrote:
There is something simillar in Paulus Hector Mairs fechtbuch too.

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And in Codex Wallerstein, too.

I actually find these things really cool. They strike me as incredibly effective one on one combat tools: The advantages of a shield, staff, spear and hooked pole arm all in one. Like a medieval amoury's Frankenstein. Happy I once saw a short clip online of some fellows who'd made reproductions and were sparring with them... I've got to say, those are brave guys. I can't possibly think of how to do that with any degree of safety!

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PostPosted: Wed 30 Nov, 2005 4:37 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Aren't those primairly used as dueling shields? They're not designed for field combat use are they?
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PostPosted: Wed 30 Nov, 2005 8:13 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That's what I understand Eric. The ones in Talhoffer, at least, look a bit too unwieldly for use in the field.
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PostPosted: Wed 30 Nov, 2005 11:06 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Eric Nower wrote:
Aren't those primairly used as dueling shields? They're not designed for field combat use are they?


Well, no one REALLY knows, but it's presumed that, yes, they were meant for duelling only. I don't know of any surviving examples, and aside from the references mentioned above and a few other period images, I don't know of anything else that even mentions them. They appear to be a German thing, too.

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PostPosted: Thu 01 Dec, 2005 11:56 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I would think that construction would not be much different from the pavises of the period, and there are plenty of those lying around.
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PostPosted: Thu 01 Dec, 2005 12:48 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

hehehe my personal favorite is the shield spike in the guys ehemmm manland ehhehe (YEOUCH)
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PostPosted: Thu 01 Dec, 2005 8:46 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That plate ( # 169) is funny because the guy on the receiving end of that vicious onslaught looks oddly pleased.
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PostPosted: Fri 02 Dec, 2005 3:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Joshua Reptsik wrote:
That plate ( # 169) is funny because the guy on the receiving end of that vicious onslaught looks oddly pleased.


thank you sir may i have another
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