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John Willow
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 Posted: Thu 15 Oct, 2020 11:28 am Post subject: Descriptions of unknown types of armour. |
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Hello everyone! I read about helmets and fond next names of types of ancient helmets. Helmet (description): Cap (conical or round, with neck-, nose-, cheek- and/or spectacle guard and/or cheek plates) and Sun Hat (Brimmed cap). But no imagines there. Google shows a lot of helmets, but I'm not sure about those variations. Maybe can someone send me pictures of these helmets, please? It's really need help with it. I have no idea.
Thank you
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Anthony Clipsom
Location: YORKSHIRE, UK Joined: 27 Jul 2009
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What time period do the helmets belong to John? That may help someone ID them.
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John Willow
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| Anthony Clipsom wrote: | | What time period do the helmets belong to John? That may help someone ID them. |
I think it's A.D. 800 (Viking time) or the Medieval period. Something like this.
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Dan Howard
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Edge and Paddock, "Arms and Armour of the Medieval Knight", pp.186-87 has a good outline of the various helmets during this time. Nice clean sketches.
Author: Bronze Age Military Equipment, Pen and Sword Books
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Anthony Clipsom
Location: YORKSHIRE, UK Joined: 27 Jul 2009
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| Quote: | | Helmet (description): Cap (conical or round, with neck-, nose-, cheek- and/or spectacle guard and/or cheek plates) |
Though a bit earlier than 800 (570-790), this sounds like a Vendel-type helmet
The sun hat sounds like a form of kettlehat but sun hats vary so much in style that its hard to be specific.
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Henry O.
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Is there a name for that helmet type in carolingian art that kinda looks like a morion?
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John Willow
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| Posted: Sun 18 Oct, 2020 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Anthony Clipsom wrote: | | Quote: | | Helmet (description): Cap (conical or round, with neck-, nose-, cheek- and/or spectacle guard and/or cheek plates) |
Though a bit earlier than 800 (570-790), this sounds like a Vendel-type helmet
The sun hat sounds like a form of kettlehat but sun hats vary so much in style that its hard to be specific. |
Oh! Thank you so much! Now it's more clear for me! I was really confused when I have read about sun hats first time. But what's about a type of helmets like a brimmed cap?
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John Willow
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| Posted: Sun 18 Oct, 2020 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Dan Howard wrote: | | Edge and Paddock, "Arms and Armour of the Medieval Knight", pp.186-87 has a good outline of the various helmets during this time. Nice clean sketches. |
Okay, I got it. It's an amazing stuff. Thank you!
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Lafayette C Curtis
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| Posted: Mon 09 Nov, 2020 6:16 am Post subject: Re: Descriptions of unknown types of armour. |
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| John Willow wrote: | | Hello everyone! I read about helmets and fond next names of types of ancient helmets. Helmet (description): Cap (conical or round, with neck-, nose-, cheek- and/or spectacle guard and/or cheek plates) and Sun Hat (Brimmed cap). But no imagines there. Google shows a lot of helmets, but I'm not sure about those variations. Maybe can someone send me pictures of these helmets, please? It's really need help with it. I have no idea. |
Um . . . you didn't even specify where you read this and in what context. These descriptions could match all sorts of things from ancient Lacedaemonian/Spartan pilos helmets to much later Iron Age North European "spectacle" helmets.
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This is a standard topic