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Sam Arwas
Location: Australia Joined: 02 Dec 2015
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 Posted: Fri 01 Feb, 2019 8:18 pm Post subject: Are there any drawbacks to stainless hilt fittings? |
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Modern replicas don't use historical steel for the blade so why shouldn't guards and pommels be stainless?
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Mikko Kuusirati
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| Posted: Fri 01 Feb, 2019 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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Many mass produced lines do in fact use stainless fittings.
Off the top of my head, one big drawback of stainless steel is also its main advantage, namely that it doesn't oxidize like regular steel - it doesn't take well to etching, doesn't develop the same kind of attractive patina over time, etc.
"And sin, young man, is when you treat people like things. Including yourself. That's what sin is."
— Terry Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum
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Harry Marinakis
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Stainless is very difficult to forge compared with mild steel
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Victor R.
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If the modern steel being used for the blade is stainless, sure, why not. It's already been mentioned that it's harder to work, won't take a patina or true etch, and it is less forgiving in the long run if you're going to use it as a sparing weapon. However, if the steel used for the blade is "modern" but relatively analogous to historic steel (not stainless or some other non-natural alloy or an alloy not seen during the period of the sword represented), I'd want the fittings to use a steel analogous to the historic steel as well; or bronze. While I do have a Windlass that has a stainless blade and very historic powder coating on the pot-metal fittings, it is the only such sword I have and keep it as a reminder that historically truer is better. At least for me.
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Glen A Cleeton
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Chad Arnow
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The general consensus on stainless sword blades is that it's hard to get the heat treatment such that the blade isn't brittle at sword lengths and with edge thin-ness. For solid hilt components that are not long and thin, it can be fine. Albion's Maestro line uses them as do some other makers.
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Mikko Kuusirati
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| Posted: Tue 05 Feb, 2019 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| Glen A Cleeton wrote: | Stainless steel might be better regarded as corrosion resistant
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Indeed - "stainless" doesn't mean the steel won't stain at all, but that it stains less.
"And sin, young man, is when you treat people like things. Including yourself. That's what sin is."
— Terry Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum
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Glen A Cleeton
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| Posted: Tue 05 Feb, 2019 11:51 am Post subject: |
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 With rostfrei being...........?
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Baard H
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| Posted: Fri 22 Feb, 2019 11:15 am Post subject: |
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| Glen A Cleeton wrote: | | With rostfrei being...........? |
Why, it's free rust of course!
At kveldi skal dag leyfa,
konu, er brennd er,
mćki, er reyndr er,
mey, er gefin er,
ís, er yfir kemr,
öl, er drukkit er.
-Hávamál, vísa 81
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Timo Nieminen
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| Chad Arnow wrote: | | The general consensus on stainless sword blades is that it's hard to get the heat treatment such that the blade isn't brittle at sword lengths and with edge thin-ness. For solid hilt components that are not long and thin, it can be fine. |
... and since you don't care about edge retention for the hilt components (since they don't get sharpened), you can use a low-carbon stainless alloy that will be very tough.
For such stainless steels, Charpy impact energies of 150-160J are not unsual - that's possibly 10 times the fracture energy of the blade (assuming a steel like 1060 or 1070 hardened and tempered to about 50HRC (at which point, a Charpy impact energy of about 20J is typical, and if the steel is left somewhat harder (but still tempered reasonably), perhaps 15J)).
"In addition to being efficient, all pole arms were quite nice to look at." - Cherney Berg, A hideous history of weapons, Collier 1963.
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