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Gadi A




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PostPosted: Fri 17 May, 2019 7:32 pm    Post subject: True Templar reproduction thoughts         Reply with quote

I wanted to get a Templar Sword for my wife (to say she is into it would be an understatement) but there are so many and they all claim to be the most accurate, etc.

Is anyone familiar with a decently priced proper Templar reproduction?

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

GA
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PostPosted: Fri 17 May, 2019 8:41 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

"Templar" sword can mean a lot of things.... The Knights Templar were around for about 200 years from the 12th to the 14th centuries. Swords from the beginning of that period would be fairly different from swords from the end of the period. If you're looking for a simple answer here's mine: the Albion Templar. It's actually named the Templar!!! It would fit the bill and Albion swords are reasonably priced for what they are. Here's a link:

https://www.albion-swords.com/The%20Templar.html
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PostPosted: Fri 17 May, 2019 8:56 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

What do you mean by reasonably priced? You can buy one from anywhere between $150.00 to $2500.00.


I would recommend a type Xa or a type XII. For a good sword at a medium price, check out Valiant Armory -

https://www.valiant-armoury.com/

Not as good as an Albion,but less expensive



Even less expensive - Hanwei Tinkers - basic swords, but very good for the price Either the H/T Norman or the H/T Single Hand -

http://kultofathena.com/s_results.asp?search=...mit=Search
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PostPosted: Sat 18 May, 2019 7:30 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

An albion Norman would be nice and fit with the earlier period of the Templars.

I just say the Norman as I have owned one and just really loved it. I also owned the Templar but wasn't crazy about it. The grip was a bit long and the sword pretty hefty and this combination just didn't work for me.

Both are very nice swords.

https://www.albion-swords.com/swords/albion/nextgen/sword-norman-xas.htm
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PostPosted: Sat 18 May, 2019 8:35 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thank you so much for the info and replies thus far. I should have specified that this will be for decoration only and hung on a wall. Probably not going to spend more than 100-200.
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PostPosted: Sat 18 May, 2019 3:03 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

You probably won’t find anything good in that price range.
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PostPosted: Sat 18 May, 2019 7:18 pm    Post subject: Re: True Templar reproduction thoughts         Reply with quote

Gadi A wrote:
I wanted to get a Templar Sword for my wife (to say she is into it would be an understatement) but there are so many and they all claim to be the most accurate, etc.

Is anyone familiar with a decently priced proper Templar reproduction?

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

GA


First, there's no such thing as an accurate or proper Templar sword, because (to my knowledge) there is no existing sword that can be proven to have belonged to a Templar Knight. Those claimed to be Templar reproductions (especially the ones with fancy decorations) are generally cheap 'wall hangers' that are not functional and would not look anything the swords Templars would have used. One can assume that, because Templars had rules against wearing anything ostentatious.

There are some swords that have been alleged to be 'Templar' such as a long-handled war sword with a cross on the pommel found near the London Temple, but that is speculation. There are several reproductions of this sword. You can find an inexpensive ($200) 'no name' version of this one at Kult of Athena, but I would not trust its quality.

So what did Templar Knights use? Like others have said, they would have used the same swords that other Knights used during their period of activity (12th, 13th century), with emphasis on effectiveness and hardiness in battle.

At the top of your price range, the 'Windlass Classic Medieval Sword' is a tried and true example of the type of sword that was used in the first part of this range (type Xa, as mentioned above). Its long enough to be used from horseback, but not too cumbersome. I had one of those years ago, and others who have owned them agree is pretty good for the price. It will not give you the historical accuracy or sophisticated handling of higher priced swords, but it will get you in the right ball park.

Good luck, you're a lucky man to have a spouse interested in these things. Who knows where it will lead.
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PostPosted: Sat 18 May, 2019 9:22 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

There's nothing accurate or proper in the $100-200 range for any type of sword pre-18th century. A change of budget or a change of expectations will be necessary.
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PostPosted: Sat 18 May, 2019 9:28 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

To develop some idea about the kinds of swords the Templars might have used, you should look at:

Type X.a swords (most of the Type X swords are too early for the Templars, so focus on Type X.a):
http://myArmoury.com/feature_spotx.html

Type XI and XI.a:
http://myArmoury.com/feature_spotxi.html

Type XII and Type XII.a:
http://myArmoury.com/feature_spotxii.html

There are a few other types of sword that might have been used at the very end of the Templar's existence, but this covers most of the main blade types.

Edit: Do not just briefly glance at these swords. Take time to really see them. Carefully notice the differences in shapes, forms, proportions. Can you see subtle differences in sword blades that are classified as the same type? Your goal is awareness, and discernment. Spending time carefully studying antique swords will help you much more than anything else to really understand true Templar swords.
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PostPosted: Sun 19 May, 2019 3:26 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The unfortunate dilemma here is that you're basically looking for something simple and somber, but cheap wallhangers tend to focus on loads of tacky bling rather than getting the basic design even remotely right (because just slapping on a bunch of decorations is quick and easy, whereas actual work is expensive)...

But, well, as long as it's just for display and you and your wife aren't sticklers for historical authenticity (in which case, shame! SHAME! Big Grin), you might be happy with something from Deepeeka. For example:

http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=...p+Scabbard (just disregard the scabbard, it's several centuries out of date)

Balaur Arms also has a fairly nice and historical looking Xa that falls within your price range, especially with the "factory second" pricing for much of the current batch:

http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=...nd+Quality

And here's the Windlass model mentioned earlier:

http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=...eval+Sword

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PostPosted: Sun 19 May, 2019 6:54 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That's funny! The swords above actually look better than I would expect for around $200. Nothing great but it looks like they are kind of trying to get it right.
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PostPosted: Sun 19 May, 2019 12:02 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Take a look at models made by Wulflund, sword makers from the Czech Republic. They are mostly blunts,the quality is adequate at best, but they are all right for display and costume use. Any single hand simple cruciform hilted sword can be a Templar sword

http://www.kultofathena.com/wulflund.asp



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PostPosted: Sun 19 May, 2019 9:39 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

This is the sword that J.D. mentioned. http://myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.32476.html

If you want a reasonably well-made sword with the correct dynamic properties close to your price range, you could always pick up a Tinker Great Sword of War and inlay a small cross in the pommel. http://kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=SH2424

If you're thinking more of a wall hanger, I'd be tempted to give that Balaur Arms type Xa a try at that price point.
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PostPosted: Mon 20 May, 2019 8:28 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

You guys are awesome! A lot of knowledge and helpful links! Thank you all so much!
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PostPosted: Wed 22 May, 2019 8:31 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The Tinker GSOW is under $200 here at the moment: http://www.lgmartialarts.com/hanwei-tinker-gr...V_vJgsab-E


[quote="Ryan Renfro"]This is the sword that J.D. mentioned. http://myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.32476.html

If you want a reasonably well-made sword with the correct dynamic properties close to your price range, you could always pick up a Tinker Great Sword of War and inlay a small cross in the pommel. http://kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=SH2424
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