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Michele Allori
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 Posted: Tue 10 Oct, 2017 3:52 am Post subject: Ring Pommels?! |
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So, ring pommels! They are amazing, elegant, simple and awesome!
I was seriously considering using one for my custom sword in my harness, but i would like to reenact and italian, or maybe german, Mercenary... so the question is: Do we have surviving examples, representation or even accounts of ring pommels being adopted outside Ireland? Considering the "fancyness" of swords in Italian Reinassance it would seem strange to me that such a particular pommel did not find the taste of someone in the continent...
Yeah, very cool. Is it historically accurate though?
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Stephen Curtin
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Bram Verbeek
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There is also a very nice (but small) hand and a half sword in Solingen, described in "The sword, thought and form", it has a pommel with a hole in the center, filled with brass lattice. It is truly amazing. I'll look up if I have a few pictures of it.
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JG Elmslie
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| Bram Verbeek wrote: | | There is also a very nice (but small) hand and a half sword in Solingen, described in "The sword, thought and form", it has a pommel with a hole in the center, filled with brass lattice. It is truly amazing. I'll look up if I have a few pictures of it. |
This one?
in many ways, the pommel is more an integral part of the tang of that sword, forged to shape, than it is a pommel in the normal sense. the cross is mounted by sliding up from the tip of the blade, and pinned in place with a rivet, similar to a messer nagel in construction.
it is notable that it is very much child-sized, despite its proportions.
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Stephen Curtin
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The three swords used in the coronation of the King or Queen of the UK; the sword of spiritual justice, the sword of temporal justice, and sword of mercy (curtana), all have a ring pommell somewhat like those on Irish examples.
Éirinn go Brách
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Mark Lewis
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Bram Verbeek
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I have found a few photo's, but they're bad, luckily, you can still find the cover of the book online, it's a closeup of the lattice work:  There even is a zoomed out picture of it.
EDIT for clarity, this is not a ring pommel, but another form of open pommel.
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Michele Allori
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| Bram Verbeek wrote: | | I have found a few photo's, but they're bad, luckily, you can still find the cover of the book online, it's a closeup of the lattice work: There even is a zoomed out picture of it. |
Thats strange, it looks like there's no tang going through the pommel...
Yeah, very cool. Is it historically accurate though?
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T. Kew
Location: London, UK Joined: 21 Apr 2012
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| Michele Allori wrote: | | Bram Verbeek wrote: | | I have found a few photo's, but they're bad, luckily, you can still find the cover of the book online, it's a closeup of the lattice work: There even is a zoomed out picture of it. |
Thats strange, it looks like there's no tang going through the pommel... |
There isn't. The entire upper part of the grip and pommel are an integral part of the tang, as James Elmslie already noted upthread.
HEMA fencer and coach, New Cross Historical Fencing
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Bram Verbeek
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| Michele Allori wrote: | | Bram Verbeek wrote: | | I have found a few photo's, but they're bad, luckily, you can still find the cover of the book online, it's a closeup of the lattice work: There even is a zoomed out picture of it. |
Thats strange, it looks like there's no tang going through the pommel... |
I was not clear, sorry, it is not a ring pommel, but an open german pommel nonetheless.
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