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Joel Chesser




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PostPosted: Fri 24 Oct, 2003 4:52 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

yeah this new blade is pretty much a beauty, but am I the only one who sees a slight resemblance to the CAS Iberia Mercenary?
Not to imply that two should even be compared. Peter's is a whole lot nicer.

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Oct, 2003 5:00 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Joel Chesser wrote:
yeah this new blade is pretty much a beauty, but am I the only one who sees a slight resemblance to the CAS Iberia Mercenary?
Not to imply that two should even be compared. Peter's is a whole lot nicer.


They're replicas of the same original. Del Tin has a replica also.

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Oct, 2003 5:31 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Chad Arnow wrote:
Joel Chesser wrote:
yeah this new blade is pretty much a beauty, but am I the only one who sees a slight resemblance to the CAS Iberia Mercenary?
Not to imply that two should even be compared. Peter's is a whole lot nicer.


They're replicas of the same original. Del Tin has a replica also.


I think that the Merc is a replica of a sword in "Records of the Medieval Sword", which sports a very similar pommel, but not the same type of blade.
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PostPosted: Fri 24 Oct, 2003 5:47 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Chad Arnow wrote:
Joel Chesser wrote:
yeah this new blade is pretty much a beauty, but am I the only one who sees a slight resemblance to the CAS Iberia Mercenary?
Not to imply that two should even be compared. Peter's is a whole lot nicer.


They're replicas of the same original. Del Tin has a replica also.


I think I'm going to have to disagree with you and comment that there were many swords that were similar to this style other than the actual Svante Nilsson Sture sword. For example, check out page 211 of Records of the Medieval Sword (Type XX.4) for a similar sword. The CASI version, as well as the DT version, both differ dimensionally from the Svante sword. Then again, both may just be bad, inaccurate copies. Who knows for sure?

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Oct, 2003 5:51 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

huh, that's very intresting. What is the Del Tin version?
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PostPosted: Fri 24 Oct, 2003 6:13 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Joel Chesser wrote:
huh, that's very intresting. What is the Del Tin version?



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PostPosted: Fri 24 Oct, 2003 7:10 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

cool thanx Nathan
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PostPosted: Sat 25 Oct, 2003 2:58 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Joel Chesser wrote:
huh, that's very intresting. What is the Del Tin version?


The Del Tin 5161 is based on a pic in Heribert Seitz's book Blankwaffen, volume 1, which shows the original Svante sword. Seitz was the first to document the sword, but the pics show just the upper half of the sword. Del Tin made a guess as to the proportions of the blade, but I suppose it was hard to fathom just how thick the blade is at the base, or the degree of hollow-grind. The pic shows PJ's Svante and the DT 5161 side by side.



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PostPosted: Sat 25 Oct, 2003 8:19 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Well it seems to me that the real difference is "The sword made in the workshops of Albion is a direct result of a project Peter completed as his degree thesis" (I highly doubt that Del-Tin went to such an effort). Notice that all the pictures on the albion site of the real sword are photos that Peter took himself. Obviously Peter has had the opportunity to study the original. It is greatly appreciated to know that someone is doing much more than seeing a cool picture of a sword and meerly copying it. You can't beat handling an original, taking measurements of it, etc... - really studying the sword with a critical eye. It looks like he minimized the guesswork. That's what makes that sword such a masterpiece- well, in my mind at least. I'm really thrilled that there are several swordsmiths here in the states that go that extra mile (or 3000). Now if only I could figure out a way to buy MORE SWORDS and still eat! Razz
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